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re: Can we have an honest discussion about the facts of slavery?
Posted on 5/20/17 at 9:10 am to Tygra
Posted on 5/20/17 at 9:10 am to Tygra
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I just want to get what you're asking straight. Things are muddled around here as of late. Do you think that slavery and civil right issues are not correlated? Please answer this question with specifics.
I'm simply saying that throughout the MSM and our political arena slavery is constantly brought up and the blame is placed on white America.
Go turn on CNN and listen to Don Lemon...
"the white house was built by slaves"
"this country was founded on slaves"...
Mitch Landrieu asking relatives of slaves to come to the front row.... Etc, etc
I just wanted to state some facts about slavery and if you look at them objectively, that's the key word objectively, I think you will come to the conclusion that early Americans should be very low on the list of people to blame for transgressions of the past. It doesn't excuse terrible things that happened in this country, but America didn't start slavery and nothing about slavery in America was worse or more devastating than anywhere else.
But you have never once hear anyone laying blame at anyone else's feet other than white Americans. And it simply proves my point that the people making these claims are doing so to further their agenda.
That is all. I didn't talk about civil rights at all. I think it is related to slavery and is not a unexpected result of a society throwing off the chains of human possession
This post was edited on 5/20/17 at 9:12 am
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Posted on 5/20/17 at 9:14 am to WaWaWeeWa
And I will ask again, if the colonies were not founded and constructed by Europeans to run on slave labor, do you think after 1776 the first Americans would have built ships, sailed to Africa, and enslaved Africans?
It's ok to say you don't know, but it's very hard to justify why the answer would be yes
It's ok to say you don't know, but it's very hard to justify why the answer would be yes
This post was edited on 5/20/17 at 9:15 am
Posted on 5/20/17 at 10:01 am to WaWaWeeWa
More white people have enslaved throughout history than blacks.
Posted on 5/20/17 at 1:46 pm to jrodLSUke
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Jewish bankers and businessmen are most responsible for ending slavery.
Correct and why did they?
Posted on 5/20/17 at 1:47 pm to Placebeaux
quote:low investment risk?
Jewish bankers and businessmen are most responsible for ending slavery.
Correct and why did they?
Posted on 5/20/17 at 2:12 pm to WaWaWeeWa
There are reparations in place already for those that want them.
Posted on 5/20/17 at 3:11 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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Can someone explain to me how a white male currently living in the United States is in anyway remotely responsible for a practice as old as humans that ended almost 200 years ago and that this justifies some sort of reparations or apology.
1. While slavery does have a history going back much further that the US, the big difference was the treatment; torture, rape, forced breeding, etc. And the fact it was completely based off of race. It was different in the US. Not really debated among educated people.
2. No educated people (I know) are saying you are responsible for what your ancestors did. What you are responsible for is continuing to profit off a system created to subjugate and oppress people of color. No one needs you to apologize for the past. We are asking you to dismantle the system that was created.
Posted on 5/20/17 at 3:11 pm to WaWaWeeWa
The largest wave of white European immigrants to the U.S. came here in the late 1800's-early 1900's, after slavery had been abolished. Why are those people and their descendants responsible for slavery in the U.S. when it was abolished before they even came here?
Posted on 5/20/17 at 7:14 pm to HeadCoach
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1. While slavery does have a history going back much further that the US, the big difference was the treatment; torture, rape, forced breeding, etc. And the fact it was completely based off of race. It was different in the US. Not really debated among educated people.
You are dead wrong. Did you miss the pet where the Muslims castrated almost all male African slaves and took the women as sex slaves? But maybe you can provide a link that states that slavery on the US was worse
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2. No educated people (I know) are saying you are responsible for what your ancestors did. What you are responsible for is continuing to profit off a system created to subjugate and oppress people of color. No one needs you to apologize for the past. We are asking you to dismantle the system that was created.
Can you please explain what about today's society subjugates and oppresses people of color? What about affirmative action? What about quotas for businesses to hire people of color?
Posted on 5/20/17 at 7:42 pm to HeadCoach
Two historical facts that should give you pause:
1. Slave revolts, such as John Brown's, never amounted to much or spread very far, even when there was opportunity for them to do so.
2. In the immediate aftermath of the Civil War, when the South was more or less a lawless, beaten land that had lost a large portion of it's white male population and was filled with newly-freed ex-slaves, who might have been forgiven if they had decided to take violent vengeance on their erstwhile masters for their horrible treatment, there was instead... nothing. No backlash against whites. Just a relatively peaceful transition from slavery to freedom.
Hmmm... it's almost as if Gone With the Wind was closer to the truth than Uncle Tom's Cabin, after all. But that can't be so, right? I mean, one was written by a Southerner with actual knowledge of antebellum life, and the other was made up whole cloth by a pro-abolitionist Yankee who had never been below the Mason-Dixon line. Why would a person like that lie?
1. Slave revolts, such as John Brown's, never amounted to much or spread very far, even when there was opportunity for them to do so.
2. In the immediate aftermath of the Civil War, when the South was more or less a lawless, beaten land that had lost a large portion of it's white male population and was filled with newly-freed ex-slaves, who might have been forgiven if they had decided to take violent vengeance on their erstwhile masters for their horrible treatment, there was instead... nothing. No backlash against whites. Just a relatively peaceful transition from slavery to freedom.
Hmmm... it's almost as if Gone With the Wind was closer to the truth than Uncle Tom's Cabin, after all. But that can't be so, right? I mean, one was written by a Southerner with actual knowledge of antebellum life, and the other was made up whole cloth by a pro-abolitionist Yankee who had never been below the Mason-Dixon line. Why would a person like that lie?
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