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re: California $20 minimum wage = 18,000 jobs lost
Posted on 7/17/25 at 4:18 pm to mmmmmbeeer
Posted on 7/17/25 at 4:18 pm to mmmmmbeeer
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It's amazing how dumb the internet has made people. Common sense is just gone.
doesn’t take common sense to realize that California is pricing people out of jobs and pretending it’s progress. it’s economically illiterate, no matter who decides to cover it via an article on the internet. but you know this…
Posted on 7/17/25 at 4:25 pm to Klark Kent
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doesn’t take common sense to realize that California is pricing people out of jobs
I don't think they are, or if they are it's some minute amount. I think this is cherry-picked data to score political points (causation correlation all that). Automation is a FAR greater driver of staffing reductions in low skilled positions than minimum wage. It's not like all these restaurants were running with 10-20% extra headcount before the hike that they could just cut without impacting their businesses. They were already running bare minimum staff, there was nothing to cut.
Now if you want to argue that prices in CA have gone up due to minimum wage hikes? I'm all ears (though I haven't looked at those numbers).
Posted on 7/17/25 at 4:34 pm to mmmmmbeeer
Fair take, but…
Yes, automation is a long-term trend—but minimum wage hikes accelerate it. When labor gets artificially more expensive, the ROI on machines suddenly makes a lot more sense.
Yes, automation is a long-term trend—but minimum wage hikes accelerate it. When labor gets artificially more expensive, the ROI on machines suddenly makes a lot more sense.
Posted on 7/17/25 at 4:55 pm to Klark Kent
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but minimum wage hikes accelerate it.
holy shite we agree.
Posted on 7/17/25 at 4:58 pm to mmmmmbeeer
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Automation is a FAR greater driver of staffing reductions in low skilled positions than minimum wage.
Ummmm... Raising the mandated wage exacerbates that.
Posted on 7/17/25 at 5:05 pm to mmmmmbeeer
Posted on 7/17/25 at 9:13 pm to AllDayEveryDay
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California can do what California wants as long as it's with California's money
Exactly...as long as the Feds don't bail them out, Cali can go bankrupt, we don't care- you get what you vote for when you put Socialists and Commies in office...
Posted on 7/17/25 at 10:04 pm to OKBoomerSooner
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Extremely telling that your response to someone calling out false sources is to attack them personally and lie about their views.
Even more extremely telling that your next post begins with this sentence:
“I’m honestly surprised it had any effect.”
Posted on 7/17/25 at 10:08 pm to mmmmmbeeer
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It's amazing how dumb the internet has made people. Common sense is just gone.
Ikr. Some of them are even stupid enough to let the entire world know they dream about their daughter getting creampied.
Posted on 7/18/25 at 12:01 am to Lou
I was against this but would be shocked if $20/hr goes as far as $7.25 did in 2003. I know that wasn’t minimum wage but it was close. Inflation has been insane.
Posted on 7/18/25 at 12:43 am to Lou
They calculated wrong. It's all the Republicans' faults. They need to up it to $25/hr.
Posted on 7/18/25 at 1:56 am to Jimmyboy
quote:gross
McDonald’s and Taco Bell
Posted on 7/18/25 at 2:03 am to Klark Kent
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what does this have to do with the OP?
He’s a leftist with TDS so everything revolves around OMB
Posted on 7/18/25 at 2:55 am to Lou
So if minimum wage is lowered to $7.25 (national mandate), you can create jobs. Ok fine. These jobs will pay $7.25 / hr * 40 hrs/week * 52 weeks / year = $15,080.00.
If you think you can survive in California on that then think again. You cannot survive in Lafayette, LA or Baton Rouge, LA on that salary.
So yes, you are creating jobs, but these people will still need to be supported by federal / state programs to stay alive. So the federal / state government is paying to support them while they are working for "small business owners" who are benefiting from lower wages. So this is nothing but a corporate subsidy.
Do we really need to subsidize "small business owners" like Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos and Mark Zuckerberg any more than we already do.
If you think you can survive in California on that then think again. You cannot survive in Lafayette, LA or Baton Rouge, LA on that salary.
So yes, you are creating jobs, but these people will still need to be supported by federal / state programs to stay alive. So the federal / state government is paying to support them while they are working for "small business owners" who are benefiting from lower wages. So this is nothing but a corporate subsidy.
Do we really need to subsidize "small business owners" like Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos and Mark Zuckerberg any more than we already do.
Posted on 7/18/25 at 7:23 am to Open Your Eyes
Did you read the immediate next sentence, where I said the expected effect from basic economics was obvious, but that the labor market appeared to have shifted to make minimum wage adjustments irrelevant? Of course you didn’t, because you don’t read, you just attack people who do.
Posted on 7/18/25 at 8:25 am to ATrillionaire
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In-n-Out Burger is moving to Tennessee. This is a company that said it would never leave the west coast. This is a company that has looked to the future and reacted as best they can.
Difference between moving and expanding.
They are moving their corporate headquarters to Greater Nashville because of taxes and regulations (and a smaller part because it's a Christian company).
I have a colleague that consults for them. They are planning to halt future investments in California that aren't already budgeted, outside of one-off's for select locations. Also considering shuttering several locations in CA. They are spinning it publicly so Californians don't get too mad, but that is the long-term plan.
Posted on 7/21/25 at 1:15 pm to Klark Kent
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In short: Teens are lazy now, can’t work late hours, and somehow that means we should pay single parents more for the same job because…they have kids? Also, businesses shouldn’t pay taxes because the customer ends up footing the bill anyway. Somewhere in there he implies we’re subsidizing Burger King’s onion rings and honestly, I think even he lost the plot halfway through.
Teens aren't any lazier today than they were 100 years ago, they simply do not need a job like they did 100 years ago. They categorically can't work early and late hours because they are in school. We already pay single parents more....through subsidized housing, food, transportation, health care, a host of things that we pay for, there is no free lunch. And a business that is not losing money must pass all costs onto consumers....revenue has to exceed expenses. These are basic concepts....but far too many among us pretend otherwise.
Posted on 7/21/25 at 1:18 pm to tigercross
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that rare kid who does want a job and has the time to work who is also living at home should not be making the same amount of money doing the same job as a single parent with 2 kids
This is nonsense.
I fully understand that many among us suffer from the delusion that human labor is a commodity and has a market price, unfortunately for those thusly mistaken this is not how things work in the real world. We already pay the single parent more than the teen....through subsidies that the teen is not qualified to receive. There ain't no free lunch.
Posted on 7/21/25 at 1:29 pm to LouisianaLady
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Holy shite - I hope you don't employ people.
I have, I sold that business and work for myself and only pay myself now but when I did have employees they earned a living wage, every one of them....I did not rely on taxpayers to subsidize my production costs like low wage employers do and idiots who mistakenly think of human beings as a commodity encourage to continue to do.
Don't like tax dollars going to the poor? There are 3 options I am aware of, let them die and live in squalor, neither idea will be supported by the majority of Americans. Most would prefer not having corpses lying in ditches and almost no one wants anymore low cost housing anywhere near them. The third and best option is for those poor people who work full time jobs....the vast majority of poor people, earning the cost of their living through their labor instead of taxpayers subsidizing the production costs of low wage employers. There ain't no free lunch
Want less crime and less tax money going to prisons. Pay people a living wage. Ain't no free lunch.
Want fewer uninsured and underinsured people driving up the cost of health care? Pay them a living wage, there ain't no free lunch.
Want fewer poop people living in shitty neighborhoods near you? Pay them a living wage....there ain't no free lunch.
There are 4 ways that people can financially sustain their existence short of inherited wealth or winning a lottery. These are labor, crime, welfare or a combination of the three. Want clean drinking water and modern day sewer and building standards? They ain't free, someone has to pay...it is far better for people to earn the money it costs them to survive than have them earn some part of it, be on the dole, be a criminal of some kind or some combination of these. There ain't no free lunch....we either pay taxes to have nice things like shite not running down the dirt streets or we don't pay taxes and have shite in the streets. The more of us paying directly for OUR shite not running in the street the better...there ain't no free lunch. How so many people dismiss this basic principle is amazing....
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