re: But it's still a KIA.....

I’m on my second KIA in a row. Drove the first one forever, no trouble with the second one thus far.

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Kia/Hyundai motors are shite, including the 11/12/13+ redesigned models. Your statement here is bullshite. quote: The engines sludge at a ridiculous rate and the GDI engines are noisy as frick and most rattle after 80k miles. This is based on what evidence? GDI engines across the board do have some issues, but it's not all these makers offer. In fact, cars like the Forte/Elantra are some of the few that haven't moved over to the shitty CVT tranny, and instead are equipped with a 6-speed and have an available Atkinson-cycle engine which will hum along without any trouble just nicely. quote: In addition, there is a recall on 1.4 MILLION new body style Hyundais/Kias for metal shavings in the block that cause catastrophic engine failure. All makes end up with major recalls at some point or another. Toyota had it's acceleration issue, and even Honda recalled 2.1 MILLION vehicles just last year over a fire hazard. These things happen and they are being addressed. I received three notices about the metal shaving issue at the end of last year for a Hyundai Santa Fe Sport that I don't own any longer, so they seemed to be taking it pretty seriously. Plus, they're adding to their already industry-leading warranty in order to cover potentially-related future issues for both original owners and secondary owners.

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Which Kia store do you sell cars for? Initial quality is only useful if you lease for all your life. You said my statement about Kia/Hyundai engines is bullshite and then in the next sentence you admit they are trash and it is true. Even with proper maintenance, the GDI engines give out to the shavings issue or sludge before 100k miles more times than not. The transmissions don’t have issues because the engines give out before that and turn the cars into scrap metal.

All I do is buy cars, and I have 7 2.0s/2.4s waiting for engine replacements at the dealer as of today. I actively talkf friends and family out of buying them.