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re: Bruce Lee vs. Floyd Mayweather Jr in their prime
Posted on 2/15/17 at 8:32 am to MightyYat
Posted on 2/15/17 at 8:32 am to MightyYat
At the end of the day, the only reason we can even have this debate is because BL never fought at any level with an audience. Think about that. The man is supposedly a savant of hand to hand combat, a prodigy, and he never put his name on the line. He chose to be an exhibitionist and impress Hollywood elite's in their back yards at parties.
Again dudes a legend. But not as a fighter. To say otherwise is disrespectful to guys that fight.
Again dudes a legend. But not as a fighter. To say otherwise is disrespectful to guys that fight.
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Posted on 2/15/17 at 8:33 am to theunknownknight
quote:Joe Lewis also said Bruce Lee wasn't a fighter and was only a "movie fighter". He also said he never sparred and he never saw him spar. He was only a teacher.
He quoted two world champions in that article (Mike Stone and Joe Lewis) who said Lee was legit.
I'm sorry, but someone who doesn't spar and doesn't fight will never beat a world champion who spars and fights for real.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 8:34 am to MightyYat
quote:How do you know?
He had the skills and, more importantly, the speed to stand toe to toe with him.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 8:40 am to MightyYat
quote:
The thing that is important to note here is the mental make up of Bruce Lee. If you gave him and Mayweather the same amount of time to prepare for a fight I wholeheartedly think Lee would be able to mentally prepare himself to frick Floyd up. He had the skills and, more importantly, the speed to stand toe to toe with him
I feel like Im fricking taking crazy pills!
Come on man.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 8:41 am to PrimeTime Money
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Even if it WAS true that he competeted in a tournament... it was a local middle school tournament So that's your proof that he was a competitive fighter
It wasn't a "middle school" tournament. It was an adult international tournament he fought in as a middle schooler
Posted on 2/15/17 at 8:43 am to theunknownknight
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It was an adult international tournament he fought in as a middle schooler
How hard do you think an 80lb kid can hit dude?
Posted on 2/15/17 at 8:43 am to LSU_Saints_Hornets
Bruce Lee was a capable fighter at the least, no argument? He'd have 10 lbs on mayweather and mayweather would have less than an inch on him
Kicking, tackling, etc. all in bounds. Mayweather isn't a guy who walks out there and knocks people out in the first couple of rounds. His hands are quick, but not devastating. He is hard to hit within the rules of boxing, but again...tackling, kicking, etc. would be allowed
I think lee would most likely kick the shite out of him. Tyson on the other hand would have 50 lbs on lee and 3 inches. His punches are fast as they are devastating. Tyson routinely knocked guys out in the first couple of rounds. When he was a more technical fighter he was equally impossible to hit and not because he danced around the ring. He was an inch from his opponent and they couldn't hit him.
Lee would kick the shite out of mayweather IMO
Tyson would fricking kill Bruce lee IMO
There is a sliver of doubt over both of my opinions because I don't know anything about Hong Kong phooey karate or martial art. If mayweather were a knock out artist, I'd take mayweather but he's not
Kicking, tackling, etc. all in bounds. Mayweather isn't a guy who walks out there and knocks people out in the first couple of rounds. His hands are quick, but not devastating. He is hard to hit within the rules of boxing, but again...tackling, kicking, etc. would be allowed
I think lee would most likely kick the shite out of him. Tyson on the other hand would have 50 lbs on lee and 3 inches. His punches are fast as they are devastating. Tyson routinely knocked guys out in the first couple of rounds. When he was a more technical fighter he was equally impossible to hit and not because he danced around the ring. He was an inch from his opponent and they couldn't hit him.
Lee would kick the shite out of mayweather IMO
Tyson would fricking kill Bruce lee IMO
There is a sliver of doubt over both of my opinions because I don't know anything about Hong Kong phooey karate or martial art. If mayweather were a knock out artist, I'd take mayweather but he's not
Posted on 2/15/17 at 8:44 am to Hester Carries
quote:
Again dudes a legend. But not as a fighter. To say otherwise is disrespectful to guys that fight.
It's disrespectful to someone like Chuck Norris who had a similar cinema career, but was actually a badass that competed for years and won a lot. This thread would make more sense if it was Chuck Norris, and even he would get absolutely destroyed by someone as skilled as Mayweather. It doesn't even have to be Mayweather, give me any notable professional boxer from the same weight class and he would demolish a MMA guy in a street fight, especially an actor like Bruce Lee. This thread is completely asinine.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 8:47 am to DelU249
Problem is, we have no evidence of Bruce Lee as a fighter. All we have are tall tales about shite he did in China. People are betting on a hope.
Mayweather, on the other hand, was born into a family of boxers, has been fighting his entire life, and has made a career of fighting other professional fighters.
One is a fighter in theory. One is a fighter in actuality.
Mayweather, on the other hand, was born into a family of boxers, has been fighting his entire life, and has made a career of fighting other professional fighters.
One is a fighter in theory. One is a fighter in actuality.
This post was edited on 2/15/17 at 8:49 am
Posted on 2/15/17 at 8:48 am to StrongBackWeakMind
It's true. I would think lee can land punches that come quickly. I don't know if he would after getting punched in the mouth. But that's the thing with mayweather. He's not known as a power puncher and he's 155 lbs. his best skills would be devalued by the rules of such a fight.
In a boxing ring? Mayweather would beat lee every time. I wouldn't argue otherwise. Either of these dudes against mike Tyson circa 1986? They run the risk of losing their life
In a boxing ring? Mayweather would beat lee every time. I wouldn't argue otherwise. Either of these dudes against mike Tyson circa 1986? They run the risk of losing their life
This post was edited on 2/15/17 at 8:50 am
Posted on 2/15/17 at 8:50 am to Hester Carries
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BL doing good BJJ.
Considering that BJJ was pretty much still on lockdown in Brazil in that era, I can understand that BL may have not not known the jits that even a White Belt would know today but the Japanese had their style own style of submission stuff so he may have been versed in some form of that style of ground work.
Didn't he actually do an armbar in one of his movies? That shite would have been about as foreign as Royce Gracie doing it in UFC 1 back then.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 8:51 am to theunknownknight
quote:No. As the legend goes, he fought in the "1958 Interschool Amateur Boxing Championship" against a high schooler named Gary Elms.
It wasn't a "middle school" tournament. It was an adult international tournament he fought in as a middle schooler
"Interschool" would be like a school district. So even if he did win, he won a high school boxing tournament between a few high schools... in China. It's not as if China was a hot bed of boxing.
Using that as proof that Bruce Lee was a fighter is laughable. It's like comparing me to LeBron James because when I was 13 my YMCA team was undefeated.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 8:52 am to MWP
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Didn't he actually do an armbar in one of his movies?
If you wanna call it that. It was horrendous. Like when we laugh at stupid occurrences in sports movies. This is on the Mt. Rushmore.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 8:52 am to DelU249
Mayweather did have a lot of knockouts until 2005/2006
Bruce lee was a teacher who learned other arts.
Vic Moore who is a karate legend was able to block Lee punches
Bruce lee was a teacher who learned other arts.
Vic Moore who is a karate legend was able to block Lee punches
Posted on 2/15/17 at 8:56 am to lsucoonass
Late round knockouts. He's not a power puncher and doesn't punch above his weight. His prowess in the ring is speed and evasion which would be mitigated by the rules of such a fight
im not viewing this as if lee was some kind of generational fighter but rather a capable guy with the rules in his favor
im not viewing this as if lee was some kind of generational fighter but rather a capable guy with the rules in his favor
Posted on 2/15/17 at 8:56 am to DelU249
quote:He's not known as a power puncher... but he still has 26 knockouts in his 49 fights, and that's against other professional fighters.
He's not known as a power puncher and he's 155 lbs. his best skills would be devalued by the rules of such a fight.
That's 53% of his fights resulting in him winning by knockout.
Against an amateur like Lee? He would knock his head off.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 8:57 am to lsucoonass
This has little to do with this thread.
But it reminded me of the nerdy kids in middle school and high school that sucked at sports that did karate with their parents on the weekends, but never actually fought someone for real, just that lame karate shite.
Never did that translate to winning a fight IRL The athletic kid from the football team with no karate training, but has actual fight experience getting hit in the face wins every time.
But it reminded me of the nerdy kids in middle school and high school that sucked at sports that did karate with their parents on the weekends, but never actually fought someone for real, just that lame karate shite.
Never did that translate to winning a fight IRL
The athletic kid from the football team with no karate training, but has actual fight experience getting hit in the face wins every time.This post was edited on 2/15/17 at 8:59 am
Posted on 2/15/17 at 8:57 am to PrimeTime Money
Yeah I said as much earlier. Those were guys he wore out with skill over many rounds. He's not a guy like Tyson who would only need to land one blow
I'm not being dogmatic. Truth is I don't know. It's my opinion, and it has more to do with skill set and rules. In a boxing match lee would get worked
I'm not being dogmatic. Truth is I don't know. It's my opinion, and it has more to do with skill set and rules. In a boxing match lee would get worked
This post was edited on 2/15/17 at 8:59 am
Posted on 2/15/17 at 8:58 am to MWP
quote:No, he did a very shitty arm lock of some sort.
Didn't he actually do an armbar in one of his movies? That shite would have been about as foreign as Royce Gracie doing it in UFC 1 back then.
Arm locks weren't some secret before BJJ. Wrestlers used to have their own submission moves. So did Japanese Jujitsu and I'm sure other martial arts.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 9:00 am to Hester Carries
quote:
Like when we laugh at stupid occurrences in sports movies. This is on the Mt. Rushmore.
Right next to a pissed off Charles Jefferson from Fast Times at Ridgemont High.
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