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re: Biker Shootout at the Twin Peaks in Waco, TX
Posted on 5/26/15 at 3:34 pm to Dr RC
Posted on 5/26/15 at 3:34 pm to Dr RC
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sorry man but that story sounds like complete horseshite
B lured C to TP so they could kill their asses in front of a ton of cops parked outside?
come the hell on
Exactly. But that's what the cops would have us believe.
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Posted on 5/26/15 at 3:36 pm to Darth_Vader
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Exactly. But that's what the cops would have us believe.
would you even recognize the truth at this point?
There is nothing that will be reported that could shine a negative light on the gangs in this situation that you won't disagree with.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 3:37 pm to ocelot4ark
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Kept the peace? What? Among criminals?
It is no different than one gang moving in on the territory of another gang. The only difference is that these gangs ride motorcycles. Some would have ya believe that because they ride motorcycles they are different than the common thugs on the street like the crips or bloods or whoever.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 3:40 pm to Dr RC
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sorry man but that story sounds like complete horseshite
What sounds more believable to me is that a bunch of thug pieces of shite ran into a bunch of other thug pieces of shite, neither of which liked each other, and a fight broke out. Some got shot. Some got dead. Some got arrested. Less pieces of shite on the streets. End of story.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 3:41 pm to reedus23
I passed two Bandidos on HWY 71 yesterday. A state trooper was riding behind them and along the side of them for a good 20 minutes, holding up traffic. They kept looking at the cop like "WTF are you doing?"
CSB I know
CSB I know
Posted on 5/26/15 at 3:43 pm to Darth_Vader
Any ballistics evidence yet?
Posted on 5/26/15 at 3:47 pm to LoneStarTiger
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would you even recognize the truth at this point?
There is nothing that will be reported that could shine a negative light on the gangs in this situation that you won't disagree with.
What the hell are you talking about? I've spoke out over and over in this thread against the criminal elements in the MC community that give the rest of us a bad reputation. I've also said that anyone responsible for what went down in Waco should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
I'm not defending any criminal activity. All I'm saying is the story we're getting from the cops is absurd. There's no way a MC is going to call a meeting in a very public place just to start shooting their rivals as they arrive. And on top of that, there's sure as hell not going to do knowing that there's 20+ cops surrounding them, armed with armored cars and M4's.
This post was edited on 5/26/15 at 3:49 pm
Posted on 5/26/15 at 3:50 pm to reedus23
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What sounds more believable to me is that a bunch of thug pieces of shite ran into a bunch of other thug pieces of shite, neither of which liked each other, and a fight broke out. Some got shot. Some got dead. Some got arrested. Less pieces of shite on the streets. End of story.
so the punishment for a bar fight is death now?
Posted on 5/26/15 at 3:51 pm to N2cars
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Any ballistics evidence yet?
Not that I know of. I've heard rumors that all the bikers were shot in the head but nothing to confirm it. If I were a betting man I'd put my money on that not being true though. That's just one of the many rumors flying around about this whole story.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 3:53 pm to Darth_Vader
In all honesty, many of your posts come off as defending the likes of the Bandidos. I know you say, and I've seen you say, whoever is responsible should be prosecuted, but then the next 10 pages sound like a defense of the Bandidos.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 3:56 pm to Dr RC
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so the punishment for a bar fight is death now?
When you commit a felony and someone dies during the commission of that felony, I do believe one of the potential punishments is death.
If you're talking about the ones who were shot at the scene...I'd suggest it was more than a bar fight or are you suggesting absolutely no one was armed? I question the cops in a lot of shootings. But there is absolutely nothing I see here that makes me question whether or not this was a good shoot.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 3:57 pm to Dr RC
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so the punishment for a bar fight is death now?
This is pure speculation on my part, and I'm not the first to put forth this theory. But if i had to guess what really happened in Waco, I'd say it's most likely this was some idiot(s) breaking into a fight in the parking lot over the stupid issue of who can wear this or that patch. Someone pulled out a weapon, knife or gun, could have been either one, and one of the cops who had the place surrounded opened fire. This led to a chain reaction of other cops opening up and the result is 9 bikers dead, dozens more wounded. In other words, a stupid mistake on both sides, the bikers for getting into a fight and the cops for opening fire.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 4:00 pm to Darth_Vader
So cops are supposed to just let 2 large groups continue fighting? Even after weapons can be seen? Yeah, doesn't work that way.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 4:01 pm to reedus23
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In all honesty, many of your posts come off as defending the likes of the Bandidos. I know you say, and I've seen you say, whoever is responsible should be prosecuted, but then the next 10 pages sound like a defense of the Bandidos.
1. I don't defend anyone who did anything illegal that contributed to what happened in Waco.
2. Pointing out the implausibility of the official story we're getting from the police is not defending anyone.
3. The only people I'm defending in here are the 170 or so bikers sitting in jail with a million dollar bail on their heads when it's obvious most of them committed no crime whatsoever.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 4:06 pm to reedus23
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If you're talking about the ones who were shot at the scene...I'd suggest it was more than a bar fight or are you suggesting absolutely no one was armed? I question the cops in a lot of shootings. But there is absolutely nothing I see here that makes me question whether or not this was a good shoot.
so you actually believe that the Banditos called a meeting at a restaurant during one of the busiest times of the week, in a huge public parking lot, knowing the place was surrounded by police, and they did this just so they could ambush another club? Come on now, does that make any sense to you?
I know outlaw clubs go to "war" with other clubs and i find that practice to be stupid and damaging to the MC community as a whole. But while they do have these "wars" and attacks like what're being told about have happened in the past, they sure as hell don't do it in the public while surrounded by police.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 4:17 pm to Darth_Vader
I hear what you're saying. I think most people that talk about this incident talk in terms of the Bandidos and Cossacks. My impression is when you talk about this incident, you're typically talking about the "mom and pop" clubs for lack of a better term. Just letting ya know it comes off confusing at best.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 4:25 pm to Darth_Vader
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so you actually believe that the Banditos called a meeting at a restaurant during one of the busiest times of the week, in a huge public parking lot, knowing the place was surrounded by police, and they did this just so they could ambush another club?
I don't think anyone sent out RSVP's. Like I said before, I think it was known that one group of thugs was going to meet up at a place where another group of thugs was gonna be and it was also known that neither groups of thugs liked each other and it was also known that both groups of thugs were prone to violence and crime and then what happened was just what everyone thought would happen. Thugs fought with thugs. Thugs drew weapons on thugs. Cops ended it.
ETA - And I should add that other, supposedly law abiding individuals decided to knowingly and voluntarily involve themselves with these known groups of thugs and unfortunately got caught in the crossfire, almost literally. While I have sympathy for them, I wouldn't have as much sympathy for them as I would an innocent family across the lot at the Mexican Restaurant because they knowingly and voluntarily chose to hang out with the 2 groups of violent thug pieces of shite.
This post was edited on 5/26/15 at 4:28 pm
Posted on 5/26/15 at 4:27 pm to reedus23
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I hear what you're saying. I think most people that talk about this incident talk in terms of the Bandidos and Cossacks. My impression is when you talk about this incident, you're typically talking about the "mom and pop" clubs for lack of a better term. Just letting ya know it comes off confusing at best.
I understand there's a lot of confusion about this subject. And I think a lot of it comes from the public being very misinformed about the MC world. And one of the main things i try to do on here is to dispel a lot of the myths and outright lies told in the media.
Yes there are some clubs that have a criminal nature about them. But the vast majority don't. And while I think something did probably happen in that parking lot between the Banditos & Cossacks, whatever it was did not require so many people to be shot.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 4:30 pm to reedus23
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I don't think anyone sent out RSVP's. Like I said before, I think it was known that one group of thugs was going to meet up at a place where another group of thugs was gonna be and it was also known that neither groups of thugs liked each other and it was also known that both groups of thugs were prone to violence and crime and then what happened was just what everyone thought would happen. Thugs fought with thugs. Thugs drew weapons on thugs. Cops ended it/
First, I'm not going to defend the "thugs" as you call them. But I do know a thing or two about how they operate. And the story we're getting about what went down in Waco goes totally counter to how they operate.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 4:30 pm to Darth_Vader
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Yes there are some clubs that have a criminal nature about them. But the vast majority don't.
Any support club has a criminal nature.
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