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re: Biggest lesson thus far for the state---we need to decentralize electricity production

Posted on 9/1/21 at 7:55 pm to
Posted by Unobtanium
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2009
1836 posts
Posted on 9/1/21 at 7:55 pm to
Don't disagree. 50 MW Nuscale nukes, buried in the ground, distributed as load dictates.
Posted by Bullfrog
Running Through the Wet Grass
Member since Jul 2010
59278 posts
Posted on 9/1/21 at 7:55 pm to
Why do you want higher rates?

Louisiana is one of the lowest cost for electricity in the nation.

Shut up and enjoy.

Once your fricked up New Orleans powers comes back.
Posted by bscott
Nola
Member since Aug 2015
58 posts
Posted on 9/1/21 at 8:04 pm to
I always laugh when people shout for “deregulation” and “competition” whenever there is a storm or major outage. As if that would somehow solve the grid situation.

There would still only be one company that owns the transmission/ distribution infrastructure, genius.
Posted by Shankopotomus
Social Distanced
Member since Feb 2009
21059 posts
Posted on 9/1/21 at 8:13 pm to
Shhhh

He thinks energy can be like Bitcoin
Posted by TDcline
American Gardens building 11th flor
Member since Aug 2015
9288 posts
Posted on 9/1/21 at 8:33 pm to
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Why do you want higher rates? Louisiana is one of the lowest cost for electricity in the nation. Shut up and enjoy. Once your fricked up New Orleans powers comes back.


Lol tell ya what, go do some research on how many times they’ve submitted requests to the public oversight to enable higher rates.

These utility companies don’t GAF about you. The PSC is the only thing saving you from $.24 per kWh
Posted by Nephropidae
Brentwood
Member since Nov 2018
2603 posts
Posted on 9/1/21 at 8:36 pm to
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Deregulate power generation in Louisiana today!!! I want five or six choice of power companies like people have in Texas.
lived in both regulated and deregulated in various locations. The fact is you need centralized power/utilities. And when it’s “de-regulated” that is just middle men who handle customer service, sales, distribution for the centralized power provider. You need centralized for disasters and economies of scale for the infrastructure investment.

I’m my experience, having a solid governing group negotiating with a power company for a certain area/city works better than de-regulated middle men shenanigans. BUT, you have to have a solid governing power capable of maintaining and watching the contract. Can easily become corrupt or just flat out shite prices/services for the end users, you and I - without good governance.
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
11963 posts
Posted on 9/1/21 at 8:57 pm to
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Deregulate power generation in Louisiana today!!! I want five or six choice of power companies like people have in Texas.

Except that when you choose a power generation company, you’re just buying numbers in a ledger.

All of the generators in Texas share the same grid. You can’t choose to buy electrons from a specific generator, any more than you could choose to buy water molecules from a specific pump station if they were owned by separate companies. The same tree branch will knock out your power whether you’re buying at a locked-in rate or paying $999/kWh on Griddy.

Texas’ de-regulated market may drive down generation costs and might even help increase the reliability of power generators - although the fiasco earlier this year does call that into question. It does not, however, make much difference to the reliability of the grid as a whole.

Yes, you do wind up with more transmission lines in general if there are more power plants. But that doesn’t mean there will be more feeds into, say, NOLA. Ultimately those types of infrastructure decisions fall on the grid operator.
Posted by crazyLSUstudent
391 miles away from Tiger Stadium
Member since Mar 2012
5860 posts
Posted on 9/1/21 at 10:44 pm to
Only during off peak times on campus like 3 am in the summer. When campus is running full tilt I think they could meet 35-40% of demand. It could be more now if they have upgraded it since I last took a tour of it.
Posted by SlapahoeTribe
Tiger Nation
Member since Jul 2012
12377 posts
Posted on 9/1/21 at 11:23 pm to
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Most all of the plants along the River produce their own power.


I don’t feel this is accurate. They may transform their own - tell the power company to just get it to them then they’ll deal with it - but actually generating their own electricity??? Maybe a couple of plants supplement their consumption by burning some of their byproducts, but I don’t see “most” of them competing with the efficiency of the power company.
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 9/2/21 at 5:41 am to
That is exactly why the state should get out of and should prohibit local governments from being involved in licensing power generation plants.

Any one thinks the PSC is really helping the citizens of Louisiana in naive. The PSC thinks they are helping but there is no way they can central plan the electrical needs of Louisiana.

There was a big stink just this past month about a solar field planned in Tangipahoa Parish. I don’t think Entergy should be required to buy that electricity as I understand the politicians are making them do BUT I fully support anybody that wants to build power generation in the state and market it themselves.

Yes delivery lines are going to be monopolies and those monopolies should be customers of the generators not the consumers. Those generators will ensure the infrastructure is well taken care of.

It is really foolish to have transmission lines crossing the lake. The same investment could build several NG plants on the Northshore. Grid connections for New Orleans could be to the west and east as several are already.

Deregulation in Texas over the long run did not raise rates—it lowered them. I know a guy in West Texas that pays nothing for electricity at night but a lot for day time use. It fits his lifestyle. (You could hang meat in his house at night but don’t expect any Ac in the daytime.)
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 9/2/21 at 5:42 am to
I laugh at anyone so foolish to think more power generation plants do not improve the quality of the grid.
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 9/2/21 at 5:45 am to
Most may not but the map I posted proves the point that many do.

Those gas turbine plants produce a lot of juice in a little footprint.
Posted by Tarps99
Lafourche Parish
Member since Apr 2017
10046 posts
Posted on 9/2/21 at 6:04 am to
Decentralized power would help out a lot, but the costs could be prohibitive.

Right now I am sitting in the dark in Houma with out power for the next few weeks.

Houma has its own power plant, but it got hit hard by the storm. In the infinite wisdom of local officials several years ago, Houma partnered with other LEPA members to build a natural gas plant in Morgan City to replace their plant.

The price per MWH to construct and maintain were way too high. Also the bonding costs used to finance the project were high. It was funny that they didn’t try to finance the project as a green energy since it was an efficient natural gas plant. Also, several problems have crippled the plant.

So if we build smaller plants, they need to be efficient and have decent overhead.
This post was edited on 9/2/21 at 6:06 am
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
Cajun Navy Vice Admiral
Member since Oct 2012
38846 posts
Posted on 9/2/21 at 10:54 am to
Solar panels on every roof and battery packs installed in/around homes.


It will take a while to get there but a lot of these problems will be alleviated by that. Of course it won't be perfect. Panels will get damaged by debris/wind/etc.


But it would be a helluva lot better than the current set up.
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