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re: Best explanation I've heard, difference between regular flu vs CV
Posted on 3/17/20 at 11:36 am to TH03
Posted on 3/17/20 at 11:36 am to TH03
It spread in other areas of the country, but did not spread as badly. LINK Looks like about only 16% of China was locked for any period of time. 84% of China went on mostly normal.
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Posted on 3/17/20 at 11:37 am to RabidTiger
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What are you getting at? When else is a virus going to jump species besides "one day?"
Nothing, other than that I am not accepting this simplistic explanation as gospel. I have questions about the timing of this, exactly where it came from, etc. And I am not accepting at face value any explanation that comes from the Chinese Communist Party.
Posted on 3/17/20 at 11:38 am to TH03
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First of all, do you think those numbers accurately depict how many have this virus? The supply of testing here is way behind the demand.
I assume once in full tests.... the USA will see numbers around the rest of the world who has been fighting this longer. Then take the deaths if you don't believe the infected.
You spout numbers of 2.5 infected to 1 person, however you are assuming perfect math. Yes, there is some exponential growth, but nothing like the perfect math model being used. The REAL numbers are showing this.
I'm not saying we shouldn't do all we can and wash up and sanitize. However it's well off the deep end in regards to what is going on.
Posted on 3/17/20 at 11:40 am to drdoct
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You spout numbers of 2.5 infected to 1 person, however you are assuming perfect math. Yes, there is some exponential growth, but nothing like the perfect math model being used. The REAL numbers are showing this.
It's called an average.
And even then, like I implied in that post, the testing is so far behind that numbers aren't entirely accurate so it's hard to know for sure.
Posted on 3/17/20 at 11:43 am to keepitsimple
That explanation doesn't seem to jive with some basic immune system information.
immunology.org - immune system response to viruses
"Novel viruses come from animals" ?
That's not what "novel virus" means.
Novel means new. Plenty of novel viruses are simply emergent strains of viruses already seen in humans.
The issue is that the population generally won't have antibodies already built up that are effective at limiting the spread of a novel virus, thus one important layer of the immune system response as outlined by the link I provided is already bypassed. This goes back to the "flattening the curve" goal that we've all been taught to parrot over the last few days. The lack of preexisting antibodies among the population makes a fast spread more likely which makes a medical infrastructure breakdown more likely.
All this "omg scary RNA fast mutation!" is some Facebook bullshite IMO.
ETA:
If this didn't tip y'all off that it's chain letter nonsense there's no helping you:
If this was the case there would be ZERO recoveries. The fact that people recover and become virus-free is due to their immune systems recognizing and fighting off the virus.
immunology.org - immune system response to viruses
"Novel viruses come from animals" ?
That's not what "novel virus" means.
Novel means new. Plenty of novel viruses are simply emergent strains of viruses already seen in humans.
The issue is that the population generally won't have antibodies already built up that are effective at limiting the spread of a novel virus, thus one important layer of the immune system response as outlined by the link I provided is already bypassed. This goes back to the "flattening the curve" goal that we've all been taught to parrot over the last few days. The lack of preexisting antibodies among the population makes a fast spread more likely which makes a medical infrastructure breakdown more likely.
All this "omg scary RNA fast mutation!" is some Facebook bullshite IMO.
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If this didn't tip y'all off that it's chain letter nonsense there's no helping you:
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the RNA sequencing of the genes inside the virus isn’t human, and the human immune system doesn’t recognize it so, we can’t fight it off.
If this was the case there would be ZERO recoveries. The fact that people recover and become virus-free is due to their immune systems recognizing and fighting off the virus.
This post was edited on 3/17/20 at 11:54 am
Posted on 3/17/20 at 11:45 am to TH03
So if testing isn't up to par, then how can people estimate numbers of spreading?
According to someone here only 37% of tests administered in LA have come back positive. You can't even go by the symptoms if someone has it since these tests were only administered to people they were SURE had the virus.
According to someone here only 37% of tests administered in LA have come back positive. You can't even go by the symptoms if someone has it since these tests were only administered to people they were SURE had the virus.
This post was edited on 3/17/20 at 11:48 am
Posted on 3/17/20 at 11:47 am to drdoct
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So if testing isn't up to par, then how can people estimate numbers of spreading?
I think this is key here. It's an estimate.
It may be close, but it could be way off. Especially with the possibility/probability that people have been getting this for months without realizing it and getting better on their own all before this mass panic started.
Posted on 3/17/20 at 11:53 am to stout
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Cliff notes?
1 is the flu
The other is CV
Posted on 3/17/20 at 11:54 am to drdoct
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You can't even go by the symptoms if someone has it since these tests were only administered to people they were SURE had the virus.
How did you even come up with this? Tests are for people who are suspected of having the virus. Why would we test them if we were sure? If the virus could be diagnosed by symptoms we would be doing it. The protocol in my state for getting a test is if the patient has flu like symptoms and a negative flu test then they are being tested for CV.
Posted on 3/17/20 at 11:58 am to RabidTiger
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How did you even come up with this? Tests are for people who are suspected of having the virus.
You only have a certain amount of tests. Are you going to waste a test on someone if you aren't sure they have the CV?
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Why would we test them if we were sure?
Because we're trying to get the numbers correct or inflated (however you want to look at it). Trust me, they want everyone that has it to be on the test.
Posted on 3/17/20 at 12:00 pm to Huey Lewis
quote:GTFO of this thread.
If this was the case there would be ZERO recoveries. The fact that people recover and become virus-free is due to their immune systems recognizing and fighting off the virus.
I'm here for fearmongering.
Anybody got any more toilet paper?
Posted on 3/17/20 at 12:03 pm to drdoct
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You only have a certain amount of tests. Are you going to waste a test on someone if you aren't sure they have the CV?
The test is to determine if they have it or not so you can then respond accordingly. Why would someone test for information they already know? The goal here is to slow the spread of the virus not complete some sort of record keeping scrapbook. Posted on 3/17/20 at 12:05 pm to Ronaldo Burgundiaz
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Anybody got any more toilet paper?
Apparently you can use a slice of bread in place of TP. All our bread disappeared after the TP became extinct. After the bread is gone, I assume they will wash it off with Milk. It's gone also.
Not gonna lie. The other day someone was on the corner with a little enclosed trailer full of TP and was selling rolls for $5/each. I just had to laugh but am secretly hoping they get the virus first.
Posted on 3/17/20 at 12:06 pm to RabidTiger
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The test is to determine if they have it or not so you can then respond accordingly. Why would someone test for information they already know? The goal here is to slow the spread of the virus not complete some sort of record keeping scrapbook.
It's cute that you even believe that.
Posted on 3/17/20 at 12:13 pm to drdoct
Posted on 3/17/20 at 12:14 pm to keepitsimple
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This was written by an Associate Professor of
Microbiology, Immunology & Parasitology
LSU School of Medicine
do they have a name?
Posted on 3/17/20 at 12:19 pm to stout
quote:Been on here for days spouting stupid shite, presented with a 30 second read that may help him understand......
Cliff notes?
aint no body got time for that......I am too busy calling everyone a gaping vagina and bitching.
Posted on 3/17/20 at 12:29 pm to tigerinthebueche
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This was written by an Associate Professor of
Microbiology, Immunology & Parasitology
LSU School of Medicine
do they have a name?
LINK
Posted on 3/17/20 at 12:32 pm to keepitsimple
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in just TWO WEEKS it mutated again and gained the ability to jump from human to human. Scientists call this quick ability, “slippery”
This Coronavirus, not being in any form a “human” virus (whereas we would all have some natural or acquired immunity), took off like a rocket. And this was because humans have no known immunity...doctors have no known medicines for it.
And it just so happens that this particular mutated animal virus changed itself in such a way that it causes great damage to human lungs.
That’s why Coronavirus is different from seasonal flu, or H1N1 or any other type of influenza.... this one is very slippery. And it’s a lung eater...And, it’s already mutated AGAIN, so that we now have two strains to deal with, strain s, and strain L....which makes it twice as hard to develop a vaccine.
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right now it’s hitting older folks harder... but this genome is so slippery...if it mutates again (and it will). Who is to say what it will do next.
That is scary as frick
Posted on 3/17/20 at 12:36 pm to keepitsimple
The big difference is trump created the coronavirus with his racism and climate change
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