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re: Beach rules in Walton County, Florida
Posted on 6/18/18 at 9:33 pm to thesoccerfanjax
Posted on 6/18/18 at 9:33 pm to thesoccerfanjax
I’ve always heard it referred to as the historical high tide line.
The legal description of our property in Miramar extends to about 10’ from the current high tide line.
The legal description of our property in Miramar extends to about 10’ from the current high tide line.
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Posted on 6/18/18 at 10:33 pm to SippyCup
I came here looking for some sort of clarification. All I have received is at least 6 different understandings of the law. As usual, I'm pretty sure if I say frick off, and have the stroke to back it up, I can get what I want. I do not; however, have the stroke, so I suppose I'll take my shite with me every night. I will, however blast Ray Wiley and say, Screw You; We're from Texas.
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This post was edited on 6/18/18 at 10:35 pm
Posted on 6/18/18 at 11:06 pm to ags01
First of all, don't leave your shite on the beach unless you don't care about it disappearing
Secondly, the customary use issue is out the window now. Homes on the beach have the right to all the beach in front of them now. If someone sets up there, they have the law on their side if they tell those people to get lost.
Secondly, the customary use issue is out the window now. Homes on the beach have the right to all the beach in front of them now. If someone sets up there, they have the law on their side if they tell those people to get lost.
Posted on 6/18/18 at 11:13 pm to JuiceTerry
Is strange to me to think that someone can "own" a natural resource like a beach.
Posted on 6/18/18 at 11:15 pm to JuiceTerry
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those people
But do those people include the Sheriff or whatever the frick you call them down there?
This post was edited on 6/18/18 at 11:15 pm
Posted on 6/18/18 at 11:22 pm to shutterspeed
quote:It's a mess, and the issue isn't going away anytime soon. In actuality, every parcel is different, but for now they're allowing the property owners to keep people off "their" beach.
Is strange to me to think that someone can "own" a natural resource like a beach.
Posted on 6/18/18 at 11:57 pm to shutterspeed
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Is strange to me to think that someone can "own" a natural resource like a beach.
A beach is a natural rescouse?
What makes it any different from any other piece of people own waterfront property all over the place.
Posted on 6/19/18 at 1:15 am to JuiceTerry
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Homes on the beach have the right to all the beach in front of them now.
This is not uniformly true, from the Sheriff of Walton County,
"Not all coastal property lines run all the way to the water and the public beach extends much further inland in areas where beach renourishment has been done, Adkinson said."
“Every piece of property has to be treated differently,” he said
This post was edited on 6/19/18 at 1:16 am
Posted on 6/19/18 at 3:24 am to EA6B
Right. It’s actually not that complicated. The beach itself may or not be included as part of the lot the owner purchased...just like any other lot in the world. In cases where it is included, you have the easement factor.
Posted on 6/19/18 at 4:16 am to ags01
Only private to the erosion control line. If the beach has been widened then it’s only private to the old erosion control line (surveyed and recorded prior to the widening of the beach).
Posted on 6/19/18 at 6:08 am to EA6B
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This is not uniformly true, from the Sheriff of Walton County, "Not all coastal property lines run all the way to the water and the public beach extends much further inland in areas where beach renourishment has been done, Adkinson said." “Every piece of property has to be treated
The beach renourishment program was rejected by over 90% of the property owners. That led to the Customary Use decree, which was nullified by the Florida Governor. As stated, July 1 is the start of the enforcement date.
This is really a big deal over not much. There is plenty of beach available for everyone. And you can walk from Destin to Panama City on the beachfront if you want. No problem. You just can’t set up shop on someone’s backyard.
Posted on 6/19/18 at 7:30 am to ags01
OP, yes you are correct.
You can't leave crap on the beach overnight because the county picks up trash on the beach. Anything left overnight is considered trash, that's where a lot of this "easement" stuff comes from. Otherwise you'd have homeowners with their portion of the beach full of trash.
You are correct in that most owners own to the mean high tide mark, as others said the wet sand. You have to look at the property appraisal to official see this.
Beach owners can do essentially what they want on their own beach during the day, but it must be removed at night so it can be cleaned.
There's a HUGE difference between a county "easement" and public use.
You can't leave crap on the beach overnight because the county picks up trash on the beach. Anything left overnight is considered trash, that's where a lot of this "easement" stuff comes from. Otherwise you'd have homeowners with their portion of the beach full of trash.
You are correct in that most owners own to the mean high tide mark, as others said the wet sand. You have to look at the property appraisal to official see this.
Beach owners can do essentially what they want on their own beach during the day, but it must be removed at night so it can be cleaned.
There's a HUGE difference between a county "easement" and public use.
Posted on 6/19/18 at 8:23 am to cave canem
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What makes it any different from any other piece of people own waterfront property all over the place.
Nothing. I find that equally strange.
Posted on 6/19/18 at 8:52 am to shutterspeed
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What makes it any different from any other piece of people own waterfront property all over the place.
Nothing. I find that equally strange.
People own waterfront all over the place. There are tons of rules for waterfront/ beachfront that vary by city, county, state, etc. I don't really understand why anyone has a hard time with this?
Some counties don't allow any public use at all, some let the public use the whole beach/ shoreline, and some allow a mixed use in between there.
A beach is no different than any other type of land. Why people think it is confuses me. Furthermore, just like any other land there is public/ county/ city owned property right next to private land. The rules for both can vary greatly.
ETA: What makes a beach/ shoreline different is that no one "owns" the water usually but not always. The water in the ocean fluctuates. So where that fluctuation occurs is generally "public" or not owned by anyone. That is where it can get tricky. Its really a pretty simple matter.
This post was edited on 6/19/18 at 8:55 am
Posted on 6/19/18 at 9:43 am to ags01
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Seagrove Beach
Houses are pretty stacked up down there, it's not like you have a private stretch of beach. Your access point will likely be multiple walkways funneled into one.
Definitely go to Buddy's (seafood market in Seagrove) and pick up some freshly steamed shrimp.
Posted on 6/19/18 at 11:12 am to EA6B
quote:Not in a strictly legal sense, as I said above, every parcel is different.
This is not uniformly true,
In a practical sense, that's the way it is right now. People can obviously walk the beach anywhere, but if they set up in front of somebody's house, and there's a conflict, and the authorities have to be called in to settle it, those people will be moved off of the property.
There are a lot of areas on 30a where people aren't complete dicks about it, but there are many where they are.
This post was edited on 6/19/18 at 11:15 am
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