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re: Baton Rougeans...how much better would life be in St George?
Posted on 3/30/18 at 9:38 am to nola000
Posted on 3/30/18 at 9:38 am to nola000
Come out and argue with me you downvoting coward. I bet you dont even have an argument, simple-minded nitwit. Hit the red arrow and run away pussy.
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Posted on 3/30/18 at 9:52 am to nola000
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Its not fricking rocket science. Every incorporated city/town in the State does this. Some carry these responsibilities and some let the Parish handle some. Depends on what the people within its limits want. Think of it like a big HOA. Which is why I, personally, will never live within city limits.
"One big HOA" yes, except right now if you are in EBR Parish and not inside of the city limits you are living in an even bigger HOA with far less control over some over your tax dollars and unable(so they were told) to form an ISD.
In a nutshell, the debate is who can take care of 2% of our sales tax payments better and provide services like permitting, licensing, ditch cleaning, road repairs, etc. better.
Is it better to get these services from the big guy Downtown, or from a smaller city closer to your home?
If you think the big guy Downtown is doing a good job doing permitting and inspections, providing licenses, cleaning ditches and patching roads, etc. in your unincorporated neighborhood then the only reason you might have to want SG incorporated is the possibility of an ISD.
I can understand how some wouldn't want to go that route. I can understand how others might, but I do believe a smaller city Or as you put it is better able to take care of things than the large HOA that seems to be bloated and not very responsive to basic calls from citizens.
I do believe these type discussion are helpful. Good post.
Posted on 3/30/18 at 10:12 am to nola000
I believe St. Georges biggest selling point should be an ISD and have a good plan in place. I feel if they had their ducks lined up and a good outline of how they intend to improve the educational system then more would vote for it.
It's ridiculous how much EBR parish spends per student and just look at the results. Meanwhile 265 miles to the west they are spending much less per student and get amazing results.
It's ridiculous how much EBR parish spends per student and just look at the results. Meanwhile 265 miles to the west they are spending much less per student and get amazing results.
Posted on 3/30/18 at 10:28 am to nicholastiger
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Do you really think everyone in St George is going to immediately pull all their kids out of private school?
Well, they DO have 10,000 reasons to. So why wouldnt they? One of the reasons people in St. Tammany have so much more disposable income than the same people, with the same jobs and local economy as the people in NOLA is because folks in St Tammany dont have to pay for private school. Thats an extra 8-20K/year in their pockets to put back into the local economy by purchasing goods and services.
This post was edited on 3/30/18 at 10:28 am
Posted on 3/30/18 at 10:46 am to doubleb
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"One big HOA" yes, except right now if you are in EBR Parish and not inside of the city limits you are living in an even bigger HOA with far less control over some over your tax dollars and unable(so they were told) to form an ISD.
I agree. Im not really arguing for or against St. George specifically because Im not that familiar with the situation. I was just talking in generalities about incorporation.
I personally think incorporation sucks donkey dick but recognize it has its uses in many cases and many folks love living in very controlled environments. Some are willing to give up some liberties and $$ for safety and control. To each his own.
What a great Republic we have.
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Is it better to get these services from the big guy Downtown, or from a smaller city closer to your home?
Local governments ALWAYS govern best. The closer an individual citizen is to his government more he can touch his representation and the more accurately those representatives reflect the wishes and concerns of their constituents.
Posted on 3/30/18 at 11:03 am to nola000
Good things that would happen if there was a good public school system to compete with the private schools in SG:
1) Like you said, more people spending money on things besides private school tuition means more money to spend on "stuff".
2) If there were good schools more people would remain in the parish and not flock to the surrounding parishes and overloading their roads, and our highways. This would help traffic as would less bussing.
3) More people from outside of La. moving to the Baton Rouge metro area would have another choice as to where to build or buy a home. They would not need to worry about private school tuition, they would not need to worry about a long commute (if the worked in EBR) and the parish would grow faster. If you haven't noticed growth parish wide has been slow and with the flooding growth has stopped and there was a net population loss in EBR Parish.
Of course all of this is predicated on a good, vibrant ISD modeled after the good ISDs in Texas where good schools has been a net positive for the entire community.
1) Like you said, more people spending money on things besides private school tuition means more money to spend on "stuff".
2) If there were good schools more people would remain in the parish and not flock to the surrounding parishes and overloading their roads, and our highways. This would help traffic as would less bussing.
3) More people from outside of La. moving to the Baton Rouge metro area would have another choice as to where to build or buy a home. They would not need to worry about private school tuition, they would not need to worry about a long commute (if the worked in EBR) and the parish would grow faster. If you haven't noticed growth parish wide has been slow and with the flooding growth has stopped and there was a net population loss in EBR Parish.
Of course all of this is predicated on a good, vibrant ISD modeled after the good ISDs in Texas where good schools has been a net positive for the entire community.
Posted on 3/30/18 at 11:11 am to magildachunks
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Life is just terrible out there off Highland and old Perkins. Although I did see quite a few new for sale Signs in Santa Maria and Willows today.
After reading your posts, I know you don't get out our way very often because if you did you would know there's way more to SG than Highland Road subdivisions.
You'd see Inniswald, Shenandoah, Village St. George, Westminister, Woodlawn Acres, Old Jeff, Antioch, and many other good, solid neighborhoods with blue collar and white collar residents.
There's way more to St. George than just country clubbers.
Quit trying to make this upper class versus lower class because it is not.
Posted on 3/30/18 at 11:28 am to nola000
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Do you really think everyone in St George is going to immediately pull all their kids out of private school?
Well, they DO have 10,000 reasons to. So why wouldnt they? One of the reasons people in St. Tammany have so much more disposable income than the same people, with the same jobs and local economy as the people in NOLA is because folks in St Tammany dont have to pay for private school. Thats an extra 8-20K/year in their pockets to put back into the local economy by purchasing goods and services.
What percent of residents of St. George have school age children?
In addition, what percent of St. George residents with school age children are wiling to pull their children from the private/Catholic schools because of the possibility a decent public school. My guess is those that truly struggle to pay tuition would make the switch, but many of us would prefer to keep our kids in the parochial schools whenever possible.
Pointe Coupee isn't far away and it's a pretty decent example. They now have a STEM school that has taken a huge chunk of the students from False River Academy, but I am fairly certain the Catholic school over there has the same enrollment if not higher than in the past. Most Catholics will keep their kids in the Catholic school system if at all possible.
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Thats an extra 8-20K/year in their pockets to put back into the local economy by purchasing goods and services.
a huge chunk of this wouldn't be spent locally. Speaking for myself, that extra $25k year would go to vacations, a fishing camp, or my retirement fund. None of which would benefit the local (st george) economy. Some people would build/buy a nicer house which is helpful to the local economy as long as they are buying the materials within St. George, but many lumber yards and material suppliers are still with the BR city limits.
Posted on 3/30/18 at 11:30 am to notbilly
Like I said earlier, Im not really familiar with the BR area so I defer to yall on this. Ive just been speaking in generalities mostly based on my experiences between NOLA and St. Tammany Parish. 
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Posted on 3/30/18 at 11:47 am to notbilly
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What percent of residents of St. George have school age children?
I haven't seen that on line anywhere.
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In addition, what percent of St. George residents with school age children are wiling to pull their children from the private/Catholic schools because of the possibility a decent public school. My guess is those that truly struggle to pay tuition would make the switch, but many of us would prefer to keep our kids in the parochial schools whenever possible.
Pointe Coupee isn't far away and it's a pretty decent example. They now have a STEM school that has taken a huge chunk of the students from False River Academy, but I am fairly certain the Catholic school over there has the same enrollment if not higher than in the past. Most Catholics will keep their kids in the Catholic school system if at all
If I had to guess, initially the schools would be made up of kids who currently attend the EBRSS, and a small percentage of kids who attend private schools at the time the ISD starts up. I'd guess that younger children in the schools would be more likely to change schools than older kids.
I remember when Tara opened up. The seniors stayed at BRHS, but more of the younger students elected to go to Tara. Then kids advancing from elementary to middle school or from middle school to high school would be more likely to change.
But two points here, people would have a choice and I don't foresee an avalanche of kids initially. The ISD would need to prove itself before it would reach their maximum enrollment.
I think that's good, too many kids in SG from day one might not be a good thing. A gradual increase IMHO, would be better.
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a huge chunk of this wouldn't be spent locally. Speaking for myself, that extra $25k year would go to vacations, a fishing camp, or my retirement fund. None of which would benefit the local (st george) economy. Some people would build/buy a nicer house which is helpful to the local economy as long as they are buying the materials within St. George, but many lumber yards and material suppliers are still with the BR city limits.
So if you tell me that I'm going to have 8-20K more disposable income, and I live in SG, how can this be a negative thing? I see it as a great selling point. If we build a good ISD, and if we have people who have two good options for their children's education, and it puts money in their pockets, helps the local economy, and lifts the community; exactly what is the problem?
Posted on 3/30/18 at 12:06 pm to doubleb
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So if you tell me that I'm going to have 8-20K more disposable income, and I live in SG, how can this be a negative thing? I see it as a great selling point.
I did not say it was a negative. My point was that it is not nearly as positive as the other poster made it sound. Sure, those with school-age kids and choosing to move them from private to public schools will have more money in their pockets. But we are talking about only some people fit this description and they would only spend some of that money locally. It’s not like every citizen of St. George would immediately have an extra 20 Grand in their pocket to spend inside St. George.
Posted on 3/30/18 at 12:27 pm to doubleb
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So if you tell me that I'm going to have 8-20K more disposable income, and I live in SG, how can this be a negative thing?
Are those numbers coming from savings from private school? I would imagine property taxes would increase as well and maybe substantial increase. Are you factoring in a certain increase in property taxes for the new St. George ISD. Residents are still paying state income tax.
Posted on 3/30/18 at 12:51 pm to notbilly
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I did not say it was a negative. My point was that it is not nearly as positive as the other poster made it sound. Sure, those with school-age kids and choosing to move them from private to public schools will have more money in their pockets. But we are talking about only some people fit this description and they would only spend some of that money locally. It’s not like every citizen of St. George would immediately have an extra 20 Grand in their pocket to spend inside St. George.
I believe any reasonable voter deciding what to do on this issue realizes not every person would save 8-20K on private school, and have more disposable income. I don't have school age children. My kids have their own families. I wouldn't save a dime of tuition, but I firmly believe a better school system will help the entire community. It's better for families, it's better for businesses, and it's better for an overall quality of life when you are talking about the entire community.
Posted on 3/30/18 at 12:58 pm to Mudminnow
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I would imagine property taxes would increase as well and maybe substantial increase
Perhaps taxes will be raised, perhaps they won't be raised, but if a guy is saving 8 to 20 K a year, increased property taxes won't be a very large factor for him.
Now for a guy like me with no kids it's a factor, but one you have to weigh.
First an ISD doesn't automatically raise your taxes. Currently we pay school taxes to the EBRSS. these taxes go to fund the system and to build new schools. Some of these taxes are up for renewal in April., but we are paying them right now so it's not as if we aren't already paying taxes for new schools because we are.
But say if the leadership deems taxes are necessary. They have to prove their case and there has to be an election. Taxes can not be unilaterally assessed. Voters, my neighbors have to vote for them. I feel comfortable knowing that. It's not like the COA election where the entire parish votes.
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Residents are still paying state income tax.
Of course creating St. George won't remove you from state taxation. That won't change.
Posted on 3/30/18 at 1:37 pm to doubleb
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After reading your posts, I know you don't get out our way very often because if you did you would know there's way more to SG than Highland Road subdivisions.
Wrong.
I drive all over SG and it's neighborhoods every day for work.
I truly don't know where all these "pot holes you constantly complain about are.
In fact, the roads seem in pretty good shape over on that side of town.
And the new oneal expansion is very nice.
Posted on 3/30/18 at 1:50 pm to magildachunks
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Wrong. I drive all over SG and it's neighborhoods every day for work.
Then you know there is way more to SG than CCL.
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I truly don't know where all these "pot holes you constantly complain about are.
Aren't you the guy that works for the highway dept.? If so I now understand why you can't find the pot holes.
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In fact, the roads seem in pretty good shape over on that side of town
Some are better than others, just like in all of the parish. The problem comes up when the pot holes pop up, or when it rains and water doesn't drain off the roads, the ditches are full of weeds, trash is in the ditches, and road signs and road striping is not properly done.
You honestly don't see that?
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And the new oneal expansion is very nice.
It is very nice. All of O'neal is very nice now.
The Greenlight plan worked very well, for the most part our taxes did a lot of good and Kip Holden stuck to his promises. Now we need to finish it, and whether there is a SG or not, it will continue.
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