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re: Baton Rouge, Louisiana is now off of the hook
Posted on 7/7/16 at 12:02 pm to LSU_Saints_Hornets
Posted on 7/7/16 at 12:02 pm to LSU_Saints_Hornets
quote:Where did I say anything about him "having it coming"?
So Alton couldn't be dumb and scared? He has to be the thug that had it coming.
quote:Reasonable fear for your life is one of the stipulations for justifiable homicide. I think the cops fighting on the ground with Alton had it if they think he was going after his gun. Asian cop didn't have it.
Both cases the cops overacted due to fear.
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Posted on 7/7/16 at 12:02 pm to LSU_Saints_Hornets
I don't like idiots. It's pretty simple
Posted on 7/7/16 at 12:02 pm to monkeybutt
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s that surprising coming from a moron though?
Not really.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 12:04 pm to LSU_Saints_Hornets
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So Alton couldn't be dumb and scared?
Sure, but what does that change when he has a gun in his pocket and his right arm is free as he's resisting arrest?
I won't go as far as to say you're "causes" are retarded, but you and your "community" should pick your battles much more carefully. Michael Brown and Alton Sterling shouldn't be the martyr for your cause. If you want to be taken seriously, looting during a protest is a bad start, particularly when it is mostly done in your own community.
There are racists on both sides, but the majority of us are reasonable people. I'm willing to listen to your plight, but you'd do well to clean house first, so to speak.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 12:06 pm to LSU_Saints_Hornets
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Yea its not. Both cases the cops overacted due to fear.
I disagree with you about Alton, but lets say I concede this point - overreacting due to fear =/= racism. It doesn't equal a race war, yet that isn't what you hear from Alton supporters. He was killed because he was black is their mantra, and that simply isn't true.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 12:08 pm to slackster
cops fear men of stature.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 12:08 pm to ell_13
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Reasonable fear for your life is one of the stipulations for justifiable homicide. I think the cops fighting on the ground with Alton had it if they think he was going after his gun. Asian cop didn't have it.
Honestly I don't think it will matter. Call me cynical, but unless a video shows up showing the driver moving towards his gun, I doubt we see any further concrete evidence. It will turn into he said vs she said, and unfortunately she doesn't have a shield with a number on it- and the DA will decline to prosecute one of their own without damning leaked video. Granted she will sue and probably get money for her daughter's upbringing and college, but that will be it.
My big question is how many more of these will happen before the powder keg the nation is sitting on gets too big?
Posted on 7/7/16 at 12:18 pm to NYNolaguy1
Alton isn't on trial. The cops are. Or at least might be.
And that means that the proof lies with the prosecutions to prove that Alton was NOT going for a gun.
And that means that the proof lies with the prosecutions to prove that Alton was NOT going for a gun.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 12:20 pm to slackster
Maybe I'm wrong and I'm blinded by my whiteness...
When I look at these incidents and I put myself in the position of the victim, I think the outcome is the same.
I'm a 28 year old white male. If I'm selling CD's outside of a convenience store, in a rough area, late at night and I'm carrying a gun in my pocket, the cops are called and when they show up I resist arrest...I'm probably shot and killed. Am I to believe that I would be treated differently because I'm white?
The Minn incident, it appears right now, is different. I don't know anything about that case so I won't speak about that one. But I feel like in some of these cases people just want to make it about race. I honestly don't think the color of the victim had much to do with the outcome.
When I look at these incidents and I put myself in the position of the victim, I think the outcome is the same.
I'm a 28 year old white male. If I'm selling CD's outside of a convenience store, in a rough area, late at night and I'm carrying a gun in my pocket, the cops are called and when they show up I resist arrest...I'm probably shot and killed. Am I to believe that I would be treated differently because I'm white?
The Minn incident, it appears right now, is different. I don't know anything about that case so I won't speak about that one. But I feel like in some of these cases people just want to make it about race. I honestly don't think the color of the victim had much to do with the outcome.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 12:27 pm to NYNolaguy1
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Honestly I don't think it will matter. Call me cynical, but unless a video shows up showing the driver moving towards his gun, I doubt we see any further concrete evidence. It will turn into he said vs she said, and unfortunately she doesn't have a shield with a number on it- and the DA will decline to prosecute one of their own without damning leaked video.
That is the problem, but I really don't know the solution. It is complicated. Nuanced. Say you bring it to court in a he said, she said situation with video of the aftermath only, are you going to send this guy to prison with the burden of beyond a reasonable doubt? I mean it looks bad, but beyond a reasonable doubt? I honestly don't know.
That being said, we shouldn't just throw our hands up in the air and say it is what it is.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 12:33 pm to lsugrad35
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Maybe I'm wrong and I'm blinded by my whiteness... When I look at these incidents and I put myself in the position of the victim, I think the outcome is the same.
I think you're right for the most part, like in the Alton situation.
I do think there are other issues where race plays a role, but I don't necessarily believe it is racism as much as it is stereotypes that simply don't mix. Black men commit a significantly higher percentage of violent crimes than white men, and they also represent a significantly higher rate of unarmed deaths at the hands of police than white men. As a result, some LEOs feel justified being markedly more skeptical of black suspects and black men are much less likely to trust the police. You can argue which is the chicken and which is the egg, but it is a problem regardless.
One of the biggest issues, however, is that the agenda is muddled by all sorts of disingenuous leaders with nefarious motives. Keeping it to the facts is bad enough, but the entire message is lost due to the absurdity of the movement. Alton and Michael Brown are great examples.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 12:38 pm to slackster
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That is the problem, but I really don't know the solution. It is complicated. Nuanced. Say you bring it to court in a he said, she said situation with video of the aftermath only, are you going to send this guy to prison with the burden of beyond a reasonable doubt? I mean it looks bad, but beyond a reasonable doubt? I honestly don't know.
The real problem is twofold:
1)Prosecutors hate bringing cases against police. It hurts morale, and it discourages police from giving the convictions that DA's rely on to get re-elected.
2)If this was a civilian shooting another, he'd already be in handcuffs. Could a civilian really argue that he felt his life was threatened? But he instead wears a badge, so that's not going to happen. The divide between police and civilians in how they get treated by our judicial system and how they can stay out of the court room is driving a lot of unrest across the country.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 12:54 pm to slackster
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I do think there are other issues where race plays a role
I agree with this. Things like traffic stops I'm sure sometimes they aren't treated with as much respect. But in the cases of these deaths, if I engaged in the same actions I think I'd suffer the same results.
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Black men commit a significantly higher percentage of violent crimes than white men
I don't even think it completely comes down to this. Let's get down to the most basic concept here. If Alton was in bed sleeping or on his couch watching TV at whatever time that night then he's still alive. Same can be said for Trayvon and I'm sure others. It's sometimes the situation that they put themselves in.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 1:01 pm to lsugrad35
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If Alton was in bed sleeping or on his couch watching TV at whatever time that night then he's still alive.
Hell, if hadn't flashed a pistol at someone.....
This post was edited on 7/7/16 at 1:02 pm
Posted on 7/7/16 at 1:23 pm to tigers win2
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Hell, if hadn't flashed a pistol at someone.....
Right. It's not the color of the skin. It's the situation. You're in control of decreasing the chances of being harmed.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 1:25 pm to Pigfeet
Batin Ruudge This post was edited on 7/7/16 at 1:30 pm
Posted on 7/7/16 at 1:29 pm to lsugrad35
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It's not the color of the skin. It's the situation. You're in control of decreasing the chances of being harmed.
This
Posted on 7/7/16 at 1:59 pm to Pigfeet
Have anybody watched the full video. Like all 10 minutes. It is very sad. She remains calm for the longest, until at the end i think it really hits her and she begins to break down. Her 4 year old daughter has tl console her "its ok mommy Im here" 
On another note, why was the cop still pointing his gun at him the entire time. He is sitting there dying yet still held at gunpoint... You can clearly tell the cop was shooken up and in a state of shock. He was shaking, and kept yelling "frick!" He knew he fricked up, thats why he immediately started trying to justify, although through his actions you could tell he knew he fricked up...
On another note, why was the cop still pointing his gun at him the entire time. He is sitting there dying yet still held at gunpoint... You can clearly tell the cop was shooken up and in a state of shock. He was shaking, and kept yelling "frick!" He knew he fricked up, thats why he immediately started trying to justify, although through his actions you could tell he knew he fricked up...
Posted on 7/7/16 at 2:23 pm to QJenk
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why was the cop still pointing his gun at him the entire time
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You can clearly tell the cop was shooken up and in a state of shock.
I think you answered your ow ?
Posted on 7/7/16 at 3:27 pm to Box Geauxrilla
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Her boyfriend was shot and her first thought was to live stream it on Facebook
Actually was very smart of her.
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