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re: Baton Rouge, Louisiana is now off of the hook
Posted on 7/7/16 at 8:46 am to djangochained
Posted on 7/7/16 at 8:46 am to djangochained
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Weed and guns and kids in a car
Shocker
0
Posted on 7/7/16 at 8:47 am to noonan
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If the cop tells you not to reach for anything, especially after you just told him you have a gun, and you reach for "something" anyways then yes.
yikes
Posted on 7/7/16 at 8:47 am to bayou2003
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How do you know the cop is telling the truth??
How do you know he's lying?
Posted on 7/7/16 at 8:47 am to LNCHBOX
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It directly contradicts the bullshite that his family is putting out to make him look like some model citizen to help incite unrest. It is very relevant, at least to me
Meh, I just completely disregard the family's narrative in these situations. I think it is unreasonable to expect a family to throw their deceased son/father/brother under the bus while grieving.
It's the same reason I think all the comments about the victim deserving it or play stupid games, win stupid prizes are completely unnecessary in the aftermath. There is a human element to all of this that shouldn't be ignored. A justified shooting can still be tragic.
If it's a shootout, a mass murderer, the officer is being attacked, etc, all bets are off.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 8:48 am to noonan
quote:If you tell the cop that you have a CC in the car. Then why would you be reaching for that instead of your wallet?
If the cop tells you not to reach for anything, especially after you just told him you have a gun, and you reach for "something" anyways then yes.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 8:49 am to LNCHBOX
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Why on earth would you think reaching in that situation is a good idea?
I never said it was a good idea and in fact, called it foolish
still don't think it is reason enough to die though
Posted on 7/7/16 at 8:49 am to Salmon
Yikes?
Posted on 7/7/16 at 8:49 am to djangochained
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Weed
A likely misdemeanor citation in Minnesota.
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guns
IF true, the guy had a CCR and every right to carry
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kids in a car
Probably not the best idea to have all three of these things together, but still not the worst thing I've seen involving kids.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 8:49 am to slackster
cliffs?
Watched the video, have we learned anything in the 20 pages since
Watched the video, have we learned anything in the 20 pages since
Posted on 7/7/16 at 8:49 am to ULSU
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And what if a cop tells you not to reach for the gun, and then tells you to get your license in the very next breath?
That's a tough one. I would think I would ask him to clarify before reaching for anything. I'd also tell him where exactly my gun was and where I was reaching.
It's a very hard command sequence to follow, so it doesn't make too much sense that an officer would give the commands in that order. But if he did, then it was not a good way of handling the situation.
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We don't know, but if that narrative were true, it is very bad for the cop.
I agree.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 8:50 am to JBeam
Again, are you willing to bet your life on what he was reaching for?
This post was edited on 7/7/16 at 8:50 am
Posted on 7/7/16 at 8:50 am to noonan
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Yikes?
yes, yikes
the standard in which you hold cops is very low and I find that troubling
Posted on 7/7/16 at 8:50 am to JBeam
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If you tell the cop that you have a CC in the car. Then why would you be reaching for that instead of your wallet?
Bingo
Posted on 7/7/16 at 8:50 am to ULSU
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First of all, her story makes perfect sense. What are you talking about? Not saying it is true, but the story is very believable in the general sense.
It's believable to you that her BF slowly declared he was a concealed carry holder, cop asked for his CCL, then he tells cop that he's getting license and slowly puts hand towards pocket with license, then cop shoots him 4 times? That makes zero sense
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I am also inclined to believe she didn't make that whole story up in the minute or so after a cop shot her BF next to her in the front seat
Do I believe she fabricated the entire thing? Of course not. But people see what they want to see, and I'm sure it happened extremely fast. Hopefully there's body cam or dash cam with audio.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 8:50 am to Salmon
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I never said it was a good idea and in fact, called it foolish
still don't think it is reason enough to die though
I'm not OK with setting the precedent that anyone can arm themselves when interacting with police. If you have a gun and you reach for it when told not to, tough shite for you.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 8:51 am to LNCHBOX
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Even more rich from a guy that's been playing the contrarian role for the last 24 hours, even for a case he claims is justified.
I questioned the cost-benefit of a tactic that we rarely see with armed suspects. Nothing more, nothing less.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 8:51 am to noonan
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Again, are you willing to bet your life on what he was reaching for?
Whatever you do, don't back away and watch, make sure you go ahead and kill him to be sure
Posted on 7/7/16 at 8:51 am to LNCHBOX
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If you have a gun and you reach for it when told not to, tough shite for you.
reaching for gun? yes
but just reaching/moving? no
Posted on 7/7/16 at 8:52 am to LNCHBOX
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It's a very hard command sequence to follow, so it doesn't make too much sense that an officer would give the commands in that order. But if he did, then it was not a good way of handling the situation.
IF he did,, I am pretty sure it goes against training to secure the weapon first and foremost.
That is trained to protect the cop's safety, and to prevent confusion about what someone could be reaching for.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 8:52 am to slackster
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It's the same reason I think all the comments about the victim deserving it or play stupid games, win stupid prizes are completely unnecessary in the aftermath. There is a human element to all of this that shouldn't be ignored. A justified shooting can still be tragic.
The only thing tragic about the Alton Sterling case is that his kids no longer have a dad, and the officers' lives will be greatly impacted because that pos decided to resist multiple times. I have no sympathy for Alton.
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