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re: ATL - Toddler Left in Car
Posted on 6/19/14 at 12:09 pm to Pettifogger
Posted on 6/19/14 at 12:09 pm to Pettifogger
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The charges are odd, so are the DA statements. "This investigation is far, far from over" and "we don't know where this will lead"? I would think first degree child cruelty would be intentional. I'm just not sure what they're doing here.
Appealing to the idiotic, get-tough-on-crime demographic that has gripped American society for decades.
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Posted on 6/19/14 at 12:09 pm to mikrit54
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However, it is negligence and conviction with suspended sentence is not enough. He needs to do time.
Seriously, what does sitting in a jail cell do in this situation?
Posted on 6/19/14 at 12:10 pm to The Third Leg
You're in a different discussion than me. I agree with you that it is negligent, and there should be legal consequences. I haven't really been involved in that side here.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 12:11 pm to PuntBamaPunt
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Not many are dying from heat stroke in December.
A) Winter's down south can still be a bit warm.
B) It's even warmer when you're trapped in a car with no ventilation.
If you were just talking about the summer months, OK.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 12:11 pm to Golfer
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Seriously, what does sitting in a jail cell do in this situation?
appease idiots like the one you replied to is all
Posted on 6/19/14 at 12:11 pm to Golfer
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Seriously, what does sitting in a jail cell do in this situation?
What does it do for drug addicts who harm nobody?
If they deserve to be there, so does he. For a time.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 12:12 pm to The Third Leg
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What does it do for drug addicts who harm nobody?
not many drug addicts to a lot of time
its the dealers, or the addicts who did something else illegal to support their habit
Posted on 6/19/14 at 12:14 pm to Croacka
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not many drug addicts to a lot of time
This. Even if they are in jail for a minimal amount of time it can be the start of them kicking the habit.
What the guy we're discussing needs is support and help from those who know this was an accident. Not putting him in Block B for 25 to life.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 12:16 pm to Croacka
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quote: What does it do for drug addicts who harm nobody? not many drug addicts to a lot of time its the dealers, or the addicts who did something else illegal to support their habit
[quote](Drug Offenders in US Prisons 2012) Federal: On Dec. 31, 2012, there were 196,574 sentenced prisoners under federal jurisdiction. Of these, 99,426 were serving time for drug offenses, 11,688 for violent offenses, 11,568 for property offenses, and 72,519 for "public order" offenses (of which 23,700 were sentenced for immigration offenses, 30,046 for weapons offenses, and 17,633 for "other").
State: On Dec. 31, 2011, there were 1,341,797 sentenced prisoners under state jurisdiction. Of these, 222,738 were serving time for drug offenses, of whom 55,013 were merely convicted for possession. There were also 717,861 serving time for violent offenses, 249,574 for property offenses, 142,230 for "public order" offenses (which include weapons, drunk driving, court offenses, commercialized vice, morals and decency offenses, liquor law violations, and other public-order offenses), and 9,392 for "other/unspecified". - See more at: LINK ]
Posted on 6/19/14 at 12:17 pm to Golfer
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Seriously, what does sitting in a jail cell do in this situation?
As with any jail time, it is never the perfect or ideal solution. But again, this is negligence. Better for him in a small box than out in the world. As you can see, I do not have much sympathy. His family, yes. Him, no.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 12:18 pm to mikrit54
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Better for him in a small box than out in the world.
Because he's going to keep leaving kids in cars?
Come on.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 12:20 pm to The Third Leg
im not sure what those numbers prove or which side you are on?
55K convicted for possession out of 1.3 million doesnt seem like many to me
55K convicted for possession out of 1.3 million doesnt seem like many to me
Posted on 6/19/14 at 12:20 pm to Golfer
If he is so absent-minded that he can leave his own child in a car in the heat for eight hours, I can only imagine what other kind of brain farting he is susceptible to.
This is he logic used for many of the victims of our dragnet prison complex. He might as well join them.
This is he logic used for many of the victims of our dragnet prison complex. He might as well join them.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 12:22 pm to Golfer
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Because he's going to keep leaving kids in cars?
Interesting. Show me the part where I said the above.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 12:22 pm to Croacka
If says mere possession. That means that is their only Crime.
What those numbers will never tell you is how many were sent in on drug charges due to ownership of a Criminal record chock full of bogus bullshite that isn't really a crime.
We send people to jail on short stints, we charge them for the hospitality, labor them, fine them, etc. When they can't pay, they have committed a new crime, thus shifting them to a new statistic.
What those numbers will never tell you is how many were sent in on drug charges due to ownership of a Criminal record chock full of bogus bullshite that isn't really a crime.
We send people to jail on short stints, we charge them for the hospitality, labor them, fine them, etc. When they can't pay, they have committed a new crime, thus shifting them to a new statistic.
This post was edited on 6/19/14 at 12:26 pm
Posted on 6/19/14 at 12:23 pm to The Third Leg
I wonder how often kids are left in cars for an extended period of time and dont die. Since only deaths are reported it probably happens more than we think.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 12:23 pm to mikrit54
what other reason is it better for him to be jailed?
as a deterrent?
man, i just realized i better not leave my kid in my car one morning, or else I could end up in jail and that would suck
as a deterrent?
man, i just realized i better not leave my kid in my car one morning, or else I could end up in jail and that would suck
Posted on 6/19/14 at 12:25 pm to mikrit54
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Interesting. Show me the part where I said the above.
You want him in a "small box" than "out in the world" for one of two reasons:
1. To keep him from leaving kids in cars
2. To "think" about his actions
So since you agree that he isn't going to keep locking kids in cars, you also think he's just going to go about his life?
Posted on 6/19/14 at 12:25 pm to Croacka
So you are fine with our excessive and punitive drug charges but you're not fine with criminalizing child endangerment simply when one forgets to be a parent?
Posted on 6/19/14 at 12:26 pm to Croacka
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man, i just realized i better not leave my kid in my car one morning, or else I could end up in jail and that would suck
Wow, you think?
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