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re: Arkansas State Police Pit Maneuver at 109 mph goes wrong
Posted on 1/23/21 at 10:52 am to Concernednewguy7
Posted on 1/23/21 at 10:52 am to Concernednewguy7
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That’s a yes or no question. It either does endanger others lives, or it doesn’t.
Getting in their car to drive to work in the morning endangers lives. It’s a very grey question.
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Posted on 1/23/21 at 10:53 am to billjamin
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Do you seriously think that a 100mph pit with oncoming traffic was the best idea?
If different circumstances were available, then I am certain they would have preferred to do it in those different circumstances. The cops do not choose the circumstances. They can, however, choose to end the pursuit and prevent this person from continuously endangering the lives of others.
This post was edited on 1/23/21 at 10:56 am
Posted on 1/23/21 at 10:54 am to DByrd2
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Right. Allow him to possibly/probably kill another person or a family who AREN’T breaking any laws, all because we don’t want anything bad to happen to him because we could possibly look like bad guys.
frick that. Do what is right. If he lives, great. Throw his arse in prison.
If not, then you just saved the taxpayers lots of money.
At least nobody innocent died in those two possible outcomes.
Ignoring the third outcome of him plowing in an innocent person or crowd of innocent people while in a reckless chase.
Posted on 1/23/21 at 10:55 am to NoSaint
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Getting in their car to drive to work in the morning endangers lives. It’s a very grey question.
Ok, you’re being purposefully vague here to try to delegitimize my argument. The fact remains that running a red light is unnecessarily increasing the danger for others.
Posted on 1/23/21 at 10:56 am to Concernednewguy7
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What kind of a moron allows a pursuit to continue in which the perpetrator has demonstrated that they have no care for the lives/well being of others?
Back off and send in a helicopter. The guy is driving 109 and acting reckless because he’s being followed. He’s not getting away from the helicopter.
But sure, letting a cop nearly kill himself is way less reckless than just following from a distance.
This post was edited on 1/23/21 at 10:57 am
Posted on 1/23/21 at 10:56 am to Concernednewguy7
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What kind of a moron allows a pursuit to continue in which the perpetrator has demonstrated that they have no care for the lives/well being of others?
Are you talking about the fleeing vehicle, or the guy doing a pit maneuver at 109 miles per hour with oncoming traffic?
Posted on 1/23/21 at 11:00 am to Concernednewguy7
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What kind of a moron allows a pursuit to continue in which the perpetrator has demonstrated that they have no care for the lives/well being of others?
Considering nearly every single department in the country would not authorize a PIT at those speeds, I'd say a whole heap of "morons".
Posted on 1/23/21 at 11:01 am to GeorgeTheGreek
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Back off and send in a helicopter.
What if there isn’t a helicopter available?
What if they back off and the perp continues to drive recklessly (he’s mental so it’s a realistic possibility)?
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But sure, letting a cop nearly kill himself is way less reckless than just following from a distance.
I wish the cop had not sustained any injuries, but I commend him and have much respect for him doing what he did. The cop knew he would likely lose control and could even die. But for the sake of saving others from this perpetrators actions he risked his life to save others.
Posted on 1/23/21 at 11:03 am to LegendInMyMind
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Considering nearly every single department in the country would not authorize a PIT at those speeds, I'd say a whole heap of "morons".
Houston police department used to have a policy where they would never pursue because it could endanger the lives of others (which is true). Can you guess what happened to the crime rate?
Posted on 1/23/21 at 11:03 am to Concernednewguy7
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What if there isn’t a helicopter available?
What if they back off and the perp continues to drive recklessly (he’s mental so it’s a realistic possibility)?
You should probably give backing off a try before moving to plan Z which is nearly killing yourself.
Posted on 1/23/21 at 11:05 am to Jcorye1
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Are you talking about the fleeing vehicle, or the guy doing a pit maneuver at 109 miles per hour with oncoming traffic?
Is this a real question, you can’t be that dense.
The cops chose to prevent the chase from continuing. Thus preventing the inevitable.
Posted on 1/23/21 at 11:05 am to Concernednewguy7
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Houston police department used to have a policy where they would never pursue because it could endanger the lives of others (which is true). Can you guess what happened to the crime rate?
Where did I say to "never pursue"? I didn't. There is a big difference between pursuing a car and PITing that car at more than 100 mph. There is a reason no one authorizes a PIT at those speeds, and it has not a damn thing to do with a "never pursue" policy.
Posted on 1/23/21 at 11:06 am to GeorgeTheGreek
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You should probably give backing off a try before moving to plan Z which is nearly killing yourself.
Hindsight is always 20/20. But if they do back off, and the perpetrator continues to endanger the lives of others (already committed a traffic violation whilst not being pursued), and ends up killing someone, then that is on the cops for allowing the perpetrator to continue.
Posted on 1/23/21 at 11:09 am to LegendInMyMind
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Where did I say to "never pursue"? I didn't.
No, you didn’t say that. I was taking your stance to the extreme. If the idea that the pit maneuver shouldn’t have been done for the sake of safety, then the pursuit should have never happened. As soon as the perpetrator runs the cops should have halted the pursuit. Because the chase will undoubtedly result in an unsafe situation.
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There is a reason no one authorizes a PIT at those speeds, and it has not a damn thing to do with a "never pursue" policy.
Ok, so tell me how they stop the pursuit.
Posted on 1/23/21 at 11:12 am to Travis Scott
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A classic example of cops causing more problems than the criminals themselves
Wrong.
“ Battenfield sustained fatal injuries and I sustained multiple serious injuries."
Classic example of fixing a problem. Kudos to the Trooper and taking one for the team to fix it. Hero.
Posted on 1/23/21 at 11:15 am to Concernednewguy7
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Ok, so tell me how they stop the pursuit
Stop pursuing. Which I guess could be accomplished by turning off their lights, dropping to the speed limit, and then going to get a cup of coffee somewhere.
Posted on 1/23/21 at 11:17 am to Cossatotjoe
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Stop pursuing.
What good would that do? The perpetrator had already endangered the lives of others when they committed the traffic violation, and they weren’t even being pursued at that point.
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Which I guess could be accomplished by turning off their lights, dropping to the speed limit, and then going to get a cup of coffee somewhere.
So you propose letting them get away?
Posted on 1/23/21 at 11:21 am to Concernednewguy7
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So you propose letting them get away?
No one is proposing that. But there are a million options between letting them get away and a fatal accident.
Posted on 1/23/21 at 11:24 am to Concernednewguy7
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No, you didn’t say that. I was taking your stance to the extreme. If the idea that the pit maneuver shouldn’t have been done for the sake of safety, then the pursuit should have never happened. As soon as the perpetrator runs the cops should have halted the pursuit. Because the chase will undoubtedly result in an unsafe situation.
You babble about that all you want. The reality of the situation is that every officer involved in the decision-making of a pursuit has been through proper training. I can pretty much guarantee you that in that training a PIT maneuver is not advised at speeds above a certain speed. Without a doubt, 109 mph is above that speed. Therefore, no supervisor calling the shots would authorize a PIT at that speed, nor should they. There's very good reason for that.
The question here is, why did the officer PIT that car at that speed? He was either authorized outside of protocol, or he went rogue and/or lied about the speeds they were traveling. None of those are good, nor should they be encouraged.
Posted on 1/23/21 at 11:30 am to Travis Scott
quote:For the losers downvoting this post:
A classic example of cops causing more problems than the criminals themselves
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