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re: Are you bullish on the future of the USA?

Posted on 5/10/19 at 2:31 pm to
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
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Posted on 5/10/19 at 2:31 pm to
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Uhh...it wasn't boomers who started the SJW movement and outrage culture.

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Hippes from the 60's weren't boomers? That's news to me.


Hippies from the 60's weren't responsible for PC.

PC became a thing in the late 80s and early 90's. These people were bandwagon hippies who were authoritarians in disguise.

PC in the early 90's is nowhere near as ridiculous as todays "social justice" crap.
This post was edited on 5/10/19 at 2:32 pm
Posted by Lou Pai
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 5/10/19 at 2:32 pm to
Peak oil ain't happenin bub... ever. But in a similar vein (actually the inverse of what you are saying), I am to some extent worried about secular deflation and what the ramifications are for growth and productivity. We are definitely on the cusp of a pretty big economic transformation over the next few decades as developing countries flatten out, IMO. I don't know if it will be ultimately good or bad, net net.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
43319 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 2:34 pm to
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You may not like the causes millenials fight for, but it's no different than any other generations fights for their respective causes going all the way back to the 1700's.


I only dislike the causes that millenials fight for that result in the curtailment of freedoms at the altar of progressive ideology. Which is the antithesis of everything this country was founded on.


This post was edited on 5/10/19 at 2:36 pm
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
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Posted on 5/10/19 at 2:38 pm to
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Regardless, fiscally and socially left >>> fiscally left and socially right.
economic moderate left and social right >>>

This is the only way America survives. We need to stop the degenerates from taking over and automation will require government to take a larger role in the economy
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
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Posted on 5/10/19 at 2:44 pm to
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and automation will require government to take a larger role in the economy


Why?
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
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Posted on 5/10/19 at 2:45 pm to
Ubi will be required

There will be massive job loss over the next few decades
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
43319 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 2:49 pm to
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Ubi will be required


Nah. Already proven to be a failed system anyway.

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There will be massive job loss over the next few decades


The job market adjusts. It has since the dawn of time.



Posted by Mr Perfect
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 5/10/19 at 2:50 pm to
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Already proven to be a failed system anyway. 


this is a lie
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
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Posted on 5/10/19 at 2:52 pm to
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Nah. Already proven to be a failed system anyway.
it hasn't been required in an advanced country

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The job market adjusts. It has since the dawn of time.
not really, and it definitely won't if we continue down our current path
Posted by mmmmmbeeer
ATL
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 5/10/19 at 3:00 pm to
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olwut?

You're off about 180 degrees on this one. The entire reason Trump won because large swaths of the rural population in this country felt shite on and ignored by politicians who only focused on urban areas and urban issues.




That's his entire point. Those "wide swaths" are sparsely populated areas giving immense power to the rural minority due to the electoral system.

This is also true with Congress, especially the senate, where a senator from Wyoming represents roughly 29,000 people and a senator from CA represents nearly 20,000,000. The senator from CA represents nearly 70 times more people but her vote counts the same as the senator from WY. That's minority rule.

Minority rule is going to become a yuge problem, especially if the right overplays their hand and continues their rightward lurch. Y'all are nuts if you think 60% of the population is going to grin and bear it while the 40% minority rules the Senate, Courts, and Presidency due to some antiquated rules.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
43319 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 3:12 pm to
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That's his entire point. Those "wide swaths" are sparsely populated areas giving immense power to the rural minority due to the electoral system.



As intended. What if this rural minority suddenly started mirroring your own views? Would you still object? I doubt it.

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This is also true with Congress, especially the senate, where a senator from Wyoming represents roughly 29,000 people and a senator from CA represents nearly 20,000,000. The senator from CA represents nearly 70 times more people but her vote counts the same as the senator from WY. That's minority rule.


The Senate represents the states. Not the population. That's the House.

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Minority rule is going to become a yuge problem, especially if the right overplays their hand and continues their rightward lurch. Y'all are nuts if you think 60% of the population is going to grin and bear it while the 40% minority rules the Senate, Courts, and Presidency due to some antiquated rules.



Then amend the Constitution. Until such time as you have enough support to do so, deal with it.



This post was edited on 5/10/19 at 3:15 pm
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 3:20 pm to
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Then amend the Constitution.



My point is I think it does need to be re-calibrated to how this country has shifted since the Constitution was written, but because the country is so divided politically that is almost impossible.

Your point on the Senate is fair, but I'll also point out that the Senate was intended to be the deliberative body and it has gone away from that over the last couple of decades. Harry Reid and Mitch McConnell have both done almost irreparable damage to the Senate, and it has helped create this hyper-partisan era.

I also think lifetime judicial appointments need to do be done away with. When they were implemented, the life expectancy wasn't close to what it is now. Rotate those seats to where an equal number of appointments are given every 8 years.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
43319 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 3:24 pm to
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My point is I think it does need to be re-calibrated to how this country has shifted since the Constitution was written, but because the country is so divided politically that is almost impossible.


Sounds like we should be addressing why this country is so divided politically instead of changing how the government operates.

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Your point on the Senate is fair, but I'll also point out that the Senate was intended to be the deliberative body and it has gone away from that over the last couple of decades. Harry Reid and Mitch McConnell have both done almost irreparable damage to the Senate, and it has helped create this hyper-partisan era.



No argument from me. Sounds like we should elect better politicians.

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I also think lifetime judicial appointments need to do be done away with. When they were implemented, the life expectancy wasn't close to what it is now. Rotate those seats to where an equal number of appointments are given every 8 years.


Disagree. Lifetime appointments lessen the impact of special interests, bribery...err...lobbying, etc. Which is the entire reason they're lifetime appointments.

The issue isn't the government. The issue is the people who elect the government.



Posted by LSUTigersVCURams
Member since Jul 2014
21940 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 3:30 pm to
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We need to stop the degenerates from taking over and automation will require government to take a larger role in the economy


This guy gets it.
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 3:30 pm to
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Lifetime appointments lessen the impact of special interests, bribery...err...lobbying, etc. Which is the entire reason they're lifetime appointments.



Almost every one of Trump's judicial picks have been hand selected by the Federalist Society, so I think we're already there.


As to the rest of your response, my first reply on page one of this thread summarizes that.
Posted by LSUA 75
Colfax,La.
Member since Jan 2019
3700 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 3:33 pm to
I sometimes get pessimistic about the future of our country but I then think back about bad times our country went through-Civil War, Great Depression,World War 2.What I am very concerned about is the rise of Islam,projections are that Muslims will rule most of the world in about 50 years based on birth rates.
Posted by Mr Perfect
Member since Mar 2010
17836 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 3:35 pm to
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What I am very concerned about is the rise of Islam,projections are that Muslims will rule most of the world in about 50 years based on birth rates.


Islamic values could save us tbh
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
43319 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 3:38 pm to
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Almost every one of Trump's judicial picks have been hand selected by the Federalist Society, so I think we're already there.


And every one of Obama's, Bush's, Clinton's, etc. were similarly influenced by legal organizations. It's the President's constitutional duty to appoint Federal and SCOTUS Judges/Justices. Even if I don't like who they pick.

Being lobbied to craft legislation to benefit an organization or industry is not the same as consulting legal bodies for Judges/Justices who fit your preferred model of a Judge/Justice.







Posted by jchamil
Member since Nov 2009
16459 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 3:38 pm to
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Islamic values could save us tbh


How so?
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
43319 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 3:39 pm to
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Islamic values could save us tbh


Unless you're gay.
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