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re: Are schools creating drop outs through social promotion?
Posted on 9/2/17 at 1:34 pm to Tiger2287
Posted on 9/2/17 at 1:34 pm to Tiger2287
I like the program a lot for high school students. Don't know what the solution is for primary school atudents like OP suggests. I believe it is too early to set them on that path in 6th, 7th or 8th grade. Some kids are just late bloomers intellectually and can rebound, but eight years is a long time to be passed along and lost in the subject matter.
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Posted on 9/2/17 at 1:40 pm to DampSocksOnSaturday
8th grade is the cut off for many foreign schools. At that point they have almost 6 years of data on the student and feel they can determine if the student will thrive or struggle.
While it isn't 100% accurate it seems better than what the US does today, forcing every student into finishing high school.
While it isn't 100% accurate it seems better than what the US does today, forcing every student into finishing high school.
Posted on 9/2/17 at 1:53 pm to tduecen
Pretty sure you are a teacher as well tducen, so I don't know your feelings on this. I am in favor of staying in school year round. Implement a trimester school year like many US universities and European schools with 4 week breaks between terms. Studies have shown this will significantly help low performing students with content knowledge retention.
I know we teachers like our summer breaks, but I start to get antsy once the Fourth of July passes.
I know we teachers like our summer breaks, but I start to get antsy once the Fourth of July passes.
Posted on 9/2/17 at 1:56 pm to tduecen
Before the raised the drop out age here, I had a kid at 16 who dropped out with Mom's permission so he could work with a paint company because her lazy arse wouldn't. And he was a smart kid, good GPA, and tested well.
It starts in the home. It always has and always will. We have multiple studies to back it up but as a society we continue to turn a blind eye to it.
It starts in the home. It always has and always will. We have multiple studies to back it up but as a society we continue to turn a blind eye to it.
Posted on 9/2/17 at 2:03 pm to tduecen
Yes
Posted on 9/2/17 at 2:06 pm to tduecen
Some public schools just go ahead and keep passing them and give diplomas so they score higher on their rankings.
Posted on 9/2/17 at 2:09 pm to tduecen
quote:Because idiots don't want to subject their kids to reality.
Why does't the US have a program to put these students into such as teaching them a technical skill. If a student has been socially promoted once and is still failing they should be in one of these programs at 16 rather than creating a problem in public school classroom.
Students should be tiered as they progress through school.
Posted on 9/2/17 at 2:10 pm to DampSocksOnSaturday
quote:School year should be extended and the school day should be shortened to 6 hours.
I know we teachers like our summer breaks, but I start to get antsy once the Fourth of July passes.
Posted on 9/2/17 at 2:41 pm to CorkSoaker
Which is an issue, just to give you an example I have a 15 year old in the 6th grade. The student doesn't want to learn, doesn't care about school, and has skipped so much information they are bound to fail regardless. This is a student that would be better off in a vocational program affiliated with the school than an normal classroom setting.
Posted on 9/2/17 at 2:44 pm to tduecen
Teachers are no longer encouraged to teach, but rather to tutor for the standardized test.
Posted on 9/2/17 at 2:55 pm to tduecen
What makes you think the student would automatically succeed in a vo-tech program?
Posted on 9/2/17 at 3:00 pm to Walking the Earth
quote:Never said every student would, however, I think it would have a higher success rate than just continuing to promote kids until they drop out. At 8th grade if the child has horrible test scores and has been socially promoted put him/her in a trade rather than forcing them to continue to go to classes they don't even have the basics for.
What makes you think the student would automatically succeed in a vo-tech program?
Posted on 9/2/17 at 3:35 pm to Scruffy
This is exactly what I would purpose.
Posted on 9/2/17 at 3:51 pm to Scruffy
School is 7 hours a day for students, removing an hour won't change too much.
Posted on 9/2/17 at 4:39 pm to tduecen
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This is a student that would be better off in a vocational program affiliated with the school than an normal classroom setting.
True. However, now with more standardized testing in vo tech more and more schools are setting high requirements for students to be allowed to enroll in such classes. So the kids that it would actually benefit from the program aren't allowed in.
Posted on 9/3/17 at 11:37 am to CorkSoaker
Not sure we do that here. Although I think it should be offered from many school districts. However, because of the way things are schools want to push kids to graduate because they higher percentage the more federal/state money they can receive.
In the end many areas are running a business instead of running a place of education. They do not care about the student but their numbers in order to get paid, which is really sad.
This is part of the reason I'm working on my doctorate and taking classes for a business degree as well. I want to move into the state role and hopefully start to make some changes that make sense.
In the end many areas are running a business instead of running a place of education. They do not care about the student but their numbers in order to get paid, which is really sad.
This is part of the reason I'm working on my doctorate and taking classes for a business degree as well. I want to move into the state role and hopefully start to make some changes that make sense.
Posted on 9/3/17 at 11:50 am to tduecen
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Why does't the US have a program to put these students into such as teaching them a technical skill.
Why you so racist and want to keep minorities uneducated?
Posted on 9/3/17 at 12:07 pm to SeeeeK
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teachers are terrible in this country, they phone it in for a paycheck, and tenure seals the kids fate
Teachers do more today than ever. They have kids we used to not even allow IN school. Not only disciplinary but special needs kids too.
Posted on 9/3/17 at 12:09 pm to texashorn
Wouldn't that in turn educate them? I mean learning a technical skill you are learning the basics of understand and building your cognitive thinking.
Posted on 9/3/17 at 12:09 pm to Geauxtiga
Every child is 504 or 1508 now it seems
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