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re: Are choices real? Or are they simply the culmination of trillions of quantum factors?
Posted on 2/8/18 at 8:59 pm to theunknownknight
Posted on 2/8/18 at 8:59 pm to theunknownknight
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choices are real,doesn’t that prove something exists in us beyond the natural order?
This is what you call a non sequitur. If choices are in fact real, it does not logically prove something exists in us beyond the natural order. The idea that the universe is deterministic is far from proven. And while I agree with you that our subjective experience of existence doesn't really make sense in a [seemingly] deterministic universe, it doesn't necessarily mean anything more than that we don't really understand ourselves, or the universe for that matter.
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Posted on 2/8/18 at 8:59 pm to theunknownknight
Posted on 2/8/18 at 9:00 pm to bradwieser
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Choice suggests time is real, but it isnt. Everything exist at once. Everything is. Nothing isnt. I am.
I mean, I guess I'll just go with this.
Posted on 2/8/18 at 11:47 pm to theunknownknight
Ravi Zacharias response to atheist scientists questioning free will
I mean, at Popeyes I can choose spicy or mild. But speaking as a Christian, I can't choose heaven or hell. In that regard, we don't have free will.
Ever since Adam and Eve ate the apple (the fall), we lost our free will. Adam and Eve had free will but we don't.
As sinners, we are completely and utterly lost, going to hell, and there is absolutely nothing we can do about it. We have no choice. We are going to hell. God decided that. That's the result of breaking the law of God.
However, God saves us through Christ. The gospel is, although we are completely fricked and going to hell, God sent Jesus to die in our place. We have no part in it other than to say "Thanks". We have no free will.
Are choices real? I have to say yes. We can choose to do evil or to do good, but those choices have nothing to do with whether we are saved.
So I'm saying, there is free will, but we can't tap into it. We can choose to do good, and that can benefit our neighbor, but it doesn't count for shite, as far as our salvation is concerned.
I mean, at Popeyes I can choose spicy or mild. But speaking as a Christian, I can't choose heaven or hell. In that regard, we don't have free will.
Ever since Adam and Eve ate the apple (the fall), we lost our free will. Adam and Eve had free will but we don't.
As sinners, we are completely and utterly lost, going to hell, and there is absolutely nothing we can do about it. We have no choice. We are going to hell. God decided that. That's the result of breaking the law of God.
However, God saves us through Christ. The gospel is, although we are completely fricked and going to hell, God sent Jesus to die in our place. We have no part in it other than to say "Thanks". We have no free will.
Are choices real? I have to say yes. We can choose to do evil or to do good, but those choices have nothing to do with whether we are saved.
So I'm saying, there is free will, but we can't tap into it. We can choose to do good, and that can benefit our neighbor, but it doesn't count for shite, as far as our salvation is concerned.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 12:34 am to Langland
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Ever since Adam and Eve ate the apple (the fall), we lost our free will. Adam and Eve had free will but we don't.
And in order to exercise will, one must have knowledge. The story of Adam and Eve is about their gaining knowledge of good and evil. Without knowledge, they were not free to exercise their will.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 12:35 am to Langland
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Ever since Adam and Eve ate the apple (the fall), we lost our free will. Adam and Eve had free will but we don't.
Adam and Eve are metaphors. Humans didnt just pop out of the ground by a magic wand waved.
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going to hell, and there is absolutely nothing we can do about it. We have no choice. We are going to hell. God decided that.
Then god is not benevolent. Punishing everyone in existence due to 2 people that ate an apple because a talking snake told them it was OK. And to top it this benevolent being says believe in me or suffer eternity.
If there really is a god, it doesnt need to be worshiped.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 12:50 am to saintsfan1977
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Then god is not benevolent. Punishing everyone in existence due to 2 people that ate an apple because a talking snake told them it was OK. And to top it this benevolent being says believe in me or suffer eternity.
A lot of Christians seem blind to the fact that the God they describe is powerful but not all that good.
I believe that there is greater intelligence in the universe; Some organizing force. Maybe Christians have some of it right, but I’m sure that they will be surprised when everything is revealed.
This post was edited on 2/9/18 at 12:51 am
Posted on 2/9/18 at 2:35 am to theunknownknight
Is this the real life?
Is this just fantasy?
Caught in a landslide, no escape from reality.
And more importantly why would a gay guy know or care if fat bottomed girls actually do make the world go round?
Is this just fantasy?
Caught in a landslide, no escape from reality.
And more importantly why would a gay guy know or care if fat bottomed girls actually do make the world go round?
Posted on 2/9/18 at 2:42 am to gthog61
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And more importantly why would a gay guy know or care if fat bottomed girls actually do make the world go round?
Well, he was bisexual. Mercury left his mansion and future royalties to Mary Austin, a woman he lived with for years in the Seventies.
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