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re: Anyone Have Experience With Wound Healing / Wound Care?
Posted on 6/10/25 at 10:36 pm to armsdealer
Posted on 6/10/25 at 10:36 pm to armsdealer
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Not going to knock the home health nurses, because they do a lot, but there is no way they specialize like nurses do in the hospital and specialty clinics.
As a certified wound specialist, I have seen some of the best wound care provided via home health. Many agencies have certified specialists who manage the wound care. I have also seen wound care clinics that grossly mismanage care, sometimes doing whatever procedure provides the highest reimbursement as often as they can get away with it.
The point that I’m trying to make is that you need to make the choice based on the provider of treatment and not the setting in which it is provided. There are excellent clinicians in all settings and substandard providers in all settings.
Posted on 6/11/25 at 12:19 am to Big Fat Guy
quote:pics?
Elderly mom
Posted on 6/11/25 at 3:50 am to Big Fat Guy
Thanks to all for the many thoughtful replies, sincere gratitude to all of you. I will try to go through one-by-one and respond to things:
Placenta powder is new to me, will have to look into that. I'm assuming it's only available through medical providers?
She couldn't tolerate the taste of Juven, so a few days ago I finally found her Prostat Advanced Wound Care where you only have to take one TBSP twice a day in some water. It's starting to sound like she not only can tolerate it but actually likes the taste, especially when adding an ice cube in it.
Yes, we were just at her wound care doctor last Tuesday. Sounds like we are moving on from them and seeking second opinions of wound care doctors who will come to the house. And in the morning I'll probably try to call this wound care center that offers hyperbaric treatment and see what gives.
Ok, whew, sorry for the long message. Thanks again to all.
quote:Yes, I should have mentioned that--her home health care is being coordinated with the outpatient wound care clinic at a hospital that she goes to. And yes, at first they were allowing me to change the dressings on the off-days in between nurse visits. However, I'm positive that one of the nurses reported to the wound care doctor that I wasn't doing a good enough job, and they told me to stop after that. Not a coincidence to me, but that's when her wounds started getting progressively worse. The longer in between having her dressings changed, the more the dressings stick and the worse the pain is for her. I wasn't an expert at changing the dressings, like I couldn't make them look as neat and tidy as the nurses, but it was a reasonable facsimile and better than nothing in my opinion.
She said her best bet is to go to an outpatient wound center with actual wound care experts, the home health nurses likely aren’t wound certified. She also said the dressings may need to be changed more, not less, letting them “air out” could increase the chance of infection.
quote:The way the wounds are now, and with how painful it is for my mom, I doubt she would allow me to change them 2x a day anymore. But I agree that it would probably be helpful.
The home health nurse trained me in dressing wounds so they could be changed 2xday.
quote:Haven't heard of this, will have to look into it.
mepilex border type dressing
quote:Yes, that's one of the things that's occurred to me--until recent history, people used to rely on the body's natural processes for things to heal, and now we have all these modern interventions that seem to prolong the suffering and make things worse actually. But yes, I know, a lot of people died from infections or had to have amputations back in the day.
As an aside the scab over generation is gone
quote:Yes, as misguided as it sounds, I've thought about getting ACE wraps and non-stick honey dressings (shown to improve wound healing) from Amazon and changing them myself daily. And also using one of those near-infrared lights that are supposed to encourage wound healing.
After initial treatment i skipped wound care and used dressings i got from Amazon. It healed slower and with a bad scar. But none of the wound care pain.
quote:I'm actually the most intrigued by these suggestions. There is a wound care center halfway nearby that offers hyperbaric chamber treatment, maybe we can call them in the morning. The only thing is that she is wheelchair-bound, so not sure if that's something that can be accommodated / whether she will be able to enter the chamber without having to stand and walk.
Pack them with placenta powder.
Add hyperbaric chamber treatment. Then stick a fork it and they’re done.
Placenta powder is new to me, will have to look into that. I'm assuming it's only available through medical providers?
quote:Will have to look into it.
Wound vac
quote:Yes, she has more or less reached the end of the line with her current wound care doctor, so it sounds like the next step up will be a wound care doctor that comes to the home for a second opinion and maybe some new interventions. Although as mentioned earlier, I'm now interested in calling the wound care center nearby that offers hyperbaric treatment.
I would assure that my mother’s care was provided under the supervision of a CWOCN, CWCN or CWS.
quote:Yes, this is the killer and the frustration I have with my mom--the solution is right there, kick your feet up and relax for a few weeks on end, but she just won't do it. Then complains about the way things are when she is the one refusing the essential treatment. She keeps talking about getting a Zero Gravity recliner, but the recliner she has now goes back far enough, and with a foam implement for elevating the legs and some slim pillows on top of that, she could easily achieve the elevation needed with stuff we already have in the house.
Venous wounds will not heal without managing the swelling through compression and elevation. ... Nutrition is also extremely important. Protein supplements are a must. Get her started on juven.
She couldn't tolerate the taste of Juven, so a few days ago I finally found her Prostat Advanced Wound Care where you only have to take one TBSP twice a day in some water. It's starting to sound like she not only can tolerate it but actually likes the taste, especially when adding an ice cube in it.
quote:Yes, one of the home health nurses they sent the other week was clearly not trained in changing dressings for wound care. It was like they had just picked someone off the street--honestly I could have done a better job myself. She crisscrossed two bands of the velcro wrap that my mom wears on one of her legs--I had been trained just once in putting those on and even I know that you don't crisscross them like that. It was ridiculous.
Not going to knock the home health nurses, because they do a lot, but there is no way they specialize like nurses do in the hospital and specialty clinics.
Also, being home health, when was the last time an MD put eyes on her wounds?
Yes, we were just at her wound care doctor last Tuesday. Sounds like we are moving on from them and seeking second opinions of wound care doctors who will come to the house. And in the morning I'll probably try to call this wound care center that offers hyperbaric treatment and see what gives.
quote:Yes, see above about to read about the incompetence of one of the home health nurses who was sent.
I have also seen wound care clinics that grossly mismanage care
Ok, whew, sorry for the long message. Thanks again to all.
Posted on 6/11/25 at 7:47 am to nosaj
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She said that lack of elevation is a big problem here and lack of compliance is one of the biggest issues in patients that causes these types of wounds to persist. She said her best bet is to go to an outpatient wound center with actual wound care experts, the home health nurses likely aren’t wound certified. She also said the dressings may need to be changed more, not less, letting them “air out” could increase the chance of infection.
I’ve done a few months of outpatient wound care management with some wound care doctors during residency. I agree with this overall. Home health wound care is OK for some things, but it sounds like she definitely needs outpatient (i.e.. Clinic) care management.
We now know that most wounds don’t benefit from “drying out“ and maintaining moist environments with such things like petroleum jelly and in short periods, antibiotic ointments is key
And yes, an almost universal truth is that patient compliance is likely not going to be adequate without regular supervision.
To OP, look around for an outpatient wound care clinic and get her doctor to refer over as soon as possible if you’re concerned. Also be aware that good wound care management. is a slow and steady process. It also may seem weird to you at times that I wouldn’t care of physician may say that a wound looks great when to you it looks gross and leaky, but that comes with experience in training, however, always voice your concerns and ask questions politely when you have them.
Also, make sure her PCP ihas checked for thyroid function and A1c recently, as if she is hypothyroid/diabetic to a significant extent and untreated it will impair proper wound healing as well
This post was edited on 6/11/25 at 7:52 am
Posted on 6/11/25 at 7:48 am to GEAUXT
Juven, L-emental or Agriinaid. 1 pack I 8 oz juice or water twice a day. Better tasting with juice.
Zinc sulfate 220mg every day
Vitamin c 500 mg twice a day
Extra protein — ensure, boost etc.
Zinc sulfate 220mg every day
Vitamin c 500 mg twice a day
Extra protein — ensure, boost etc.
This post was edited on 6/11/25 at 7:55 am
Posted on 6/11/25 at 8:12 am to Big Fat Guy
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frustration I have with my mom--the solution is right there, kick your feet up and relax for a few weeks on end, but she just won't do it. Then complains about the way things are when she is the one refusing the essential treatment
Who is paying for this extended treatment and escalation, largely due to non compliance? Is it possible to get the payer to refuse further in home treatment without going in-patient due to non compliance?
I know it seems like an a-hole move (which I'm well known for,) but she doesn't see the downside to non compliance. Threats of amputation probably get the old people eye roll of, "it won't happen to me." If she's threatened with being forced into a bed with elevation that's not in her house, that might persuade her to do it the "easy" way, and just follow her treatment plan at home.
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