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re: Any boot lickers here defend these police actions?
Posted on 11/8/22 at 8:19 am to East Coast Band
Posted on 11/8/22 at 8:19 am to East Coast Band
Good example of proactive policing, so yeah, I'm good with this.
The alternative is a police department full of guys who will not get out of their units and a broken city (e.g. New Orleans).
So, I'm fine with this.
The alternative is a police department full of guys who will not get out of their units and a broken city (e.g. New Orleans).
So, I'm fine with this.
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Posted on 11/8/22 at 8:20 am to WaWaWeeWa
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you don’t have as much leeway as you think you do when it comes to showing identification.
you DO have that much leeway IF you dont allow cops (like in the video) to abuse their role and 'find ways' to get their desired outcome.
you dont have as much leeway if you let cops just find ways around your rights.
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Most of the OT is going to read this and think “I don’t have to do shite a cop says if I didn’t do anything wrong” and that’s not technically correct.
none of us are saying that. we are saying cops should be able to reasonably justify their requests and not 'find ways' to force compliance. its pretty reasonable to expect noncompliance from citizens when cops come at them without being able to articulate their suspicions of a crime, or if they go the 'find ways' route. the just let them trample your rights bc they can 'find a way' is just a garbage attitude.
Posted on 11/8/22 at 8:21 am to SmackDaniels
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Thanks to this kind of thinking, it's not an honorable job anymore. Next to no decent citizen wants that job because they know you or Joy Behar will dox them any chance you get.
So we are left with two types of people getting that job. Thugs and the untrainable.
So piss off. I don't a give shite, this is what y'all wanted.
I am not a fan of LEO's and yes it is because of my history. But this is an insightful and accurate post.
Posted on 11/8/22 at 8:22 am to WaWaWeeWa
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She tried to explain her position.
She stopped him because she thought he had a weapon and to see if he was carrying in properly. Once she saw it wasn't a weapon her response should have been "thank you, sir, have a great day!"
Posted on 11/8/22 at 8:26 am to AMS
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none of us are saying that. we are saying cops should be able to reasonably justify their requests and not 'find ways' to force compliance. its pretty reasonable to expect noncompliance from citizens when cops come at them without being able to articulate their suspicions of a crime, or if they go the 'find ways' route. the just let them trample your rights bc they can 'find a way' is just a garbage attitude.
Go watch the video again.
She was trying to tell him what she was investigating before he cut her off. you can’t cut them off during their explanation and then use that as a defense. They aren’t required to sit there and argue the law with you.
Again you think you have rights you don’t.
Like I said, if you are arguing to change the law I would support that. But under the current law you are wrong.
Posted on 11/8/22 at 8:28 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
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She stopped him because she thought he had a weapon and to see if he was carrying in properly. Once she saw it wasn't a weapon her response should have been "thank you, sir, have a great day!"
He crossed a crosswalk illegally.
It’s a fricking bullshite law but it’s a law. If you are going to be a dick to the cops you better be damn sure you didn’t just break a law.
Posted on 11/8/22 at 8:32 am to WaWaWeeWa
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WaWaWeeWa
Posted on 11/8/22 at 8:35 am to WaWaWeeWa
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Again you think you have rights you don’t.
Please tell me this POS doesn't vote
Posted on 11/8/22 at 8:36 am to Animal
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I am not a fan of LEO's and yes it is because of my history. But this is an insightful and accurate post.
Police have been like this for a long time
This isn't some recent development
Posted on 11/8/22 at 8:38 am to Powerman
I voted today. Straight red, no on all amendments. I’m not who you think I am, you are just a dumbass who doesn’t understand the law on the books.
You don’t like the law, and neither do I, but I know the way to fight it isn’t by being a dick to the people enforcing it but rather change the law.
You don’t like the law, and neither do I, but I know the way to fight it isn’t by being a dick to the people enforcing it but rather change the law.
Posted on 11/8/22 at 8:39 am to WaWaWeeWa
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You don’t like the law, and neither do I, but I know the way to fight it isn’t by being a dick to the people enforcing it but rather change the law.
This guy is going to get paid
They violated his rights
Posted on 11/8/22 at 8:48 am to Vito Andolini
HAHA>.. I guess that guy didn't pay his white Privilege dues. But he sure paid his "Be a Dick" of the month club fees... I support all Cops going on strike Nationally...
I bet all these kids right here wish that a cop had stopped and searched somebody at sometime...
Oh. BTW... I am sure that somewhere on the books that in police training courses that if you get a 911 call or do a stop that running for warrants is the law... For that you can thank a Politician...
I bet all these kids right here wish that a cop had stopped and searched somebody at sometime...
Oh. BTW... I am sure that somewhere on the books that in police training courses that if you get a 911 call or do a stop that running for warrants is the law... For that you can thank a Politician...
Posted on 11/8/22 at 8:54 am to WaWaWeeWa
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He crossed a crosswalk illegally.
It’s a fricking bullshite law but it’s a law. If you are going to be a dick to the cops you better be damn sure you didn’t just break a law.
asking for an explanation of why youre being IDed is being a dick?
voluntarily dispelling their concern about a weapon is being a dick?
he wasnt a dick until the cops demanded more while not being able to articulate any reason as to why they were continuing the involuntary detention.
we call you a bootlicker bc you support the 'find a way' to make them lick boots mentality. you see this as the citizen not the cop being the dick.... when its pretty clear the cops were retaliating bc they didnt like his attitude not for any good faith legitimate law enforcement.
Posted on 11/8/22 at 9:02 am to AMS
quote:The city attorneys and whoever insures that city, are probably screaming the same thing right now. If that dude hires a lawyer, he will offered a settlement very quickly. No way that want this case going before a jury with that video evidence.
yea its so nuts. someone said that that was her supervisor in the video? IF thats true thats a whole other level of SMH and means theres a WAY bigger problem for that dept, the video is barely the surface of the malfeasance going on.
IMO a lot of cops public perception would be greatly improved if cops could just figure out fundamental things, IE when citizens can rightfully refuse requests/demands.
wouldnt be so much damning content for 1a/2a auditors, and body cams... you can ask but not compel ID from people without reasonable suspicion they are committing/committed a crime, not just because they 'think you looked suspicious'
Posted on 11/8/22 at 9:06 am to AMS
quote:Then they cuffed him and performed and unlawful search of his person.
Lmao you may want to review what you posted. They can't require ID just because they ask, there still has to be an underlying clearly articulatable suspicion of a crime.
These cops screwed up from the beginning, and kept on doubling down on stupid, all the way to actually arresting a guy for resisting, who was not resisting.
Posted on 11/8/22 at 9:10 am to AMS
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asking for an explanation of why youre being IDed is being a dick? voluntarily dispelling their concern about a weapon is being a dick?
Asking why and then cutting someone off before they can finish is being a dick and it probably satisfies the cops requirement at that point. They don’t need to keep arguing with you while you cut them off.
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we call you a bootlicker bc you support the 'find a way' to make them lick boots mentality.
I’m just trying to correct your wrongful interpretation of the law
Posted on 11/8/22 at 9:14 am to greygoose
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Then they cuffed him and performed and unlawful search of his person.
If he crossed a crosswalk illegally they have a right to ask him for identification. They also have the right to ask for identification if they thought he was carrying a weapon inappropriately. Now wether that right immediately goes away once he pulls out the stick is unclear. I would say so but they can still ask for ID based on the illegal crosswalk.
If he refused to identify himself they have a right to cuff him and search for his ID.
I already cited the law.
I don’t agree with it, but that doesn’t make it not consistent with the law.
Now the resisting is a different subject. That seems ridiculous but I haven’t reviewed those laws.
Posted on 11/8/22 at 9:19 am to WaWaWeeWa
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She was trying to tell him what she was investigating before he cut her off. you can’t cut them off during their explanation and then use that as a defense. They aren’t required to sit there and argue the law with you.
... yea she was interrupted but she was able to finish her explanation like a sentence or two later so not sure what point you are making.
also your point is nonsense because the man already proved to her it wasn't a weapon before an explanation was even asked for.
she said she stopped him bc it looked like he was carrying a gun and she wanted to make sure he was carrying it properly. her suspicion was illegal carrying, and the suspicion was already dispelled yet she continued the detention.
you supporting the 'stretching the law or finding a way' as a legitimate defense of this behavior is what makes you a bootlicker. you cant acknowledge these cops were a-hole bc of some nonsense about jwalking
Posted on 11/8/22 at 9:25 am to AMS
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you cant acknowledge these cops were a-hole bc of some nonsense about jwalking
The cops were definitely assholes. So was the guy. The argument was about wether they had a right to ask him for ID.
They both resorted to extremes of their rights to make their point and they both lost. It’s an example of how not to act by everyone involved.
This post was edited on 11/8/22 at 9:26 am
Posted on 11/8/22 at 9:25 am to WaWaWeeWa
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If he crossed a crosswalk illegally they have a right to ask him for identification
* if they can reasonably articulate their suspicion that this occurred* they can ask him for ID.
they attempted no such thing and when asked gave a completely unrelated suspicion that had already been dispelled.
you cant seem to acknowledge the obvious fact this was clearly pure retaliation for his attitude.
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