re: Any baws with a $600+/month car note

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I've got no frills in this truck.

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That’s how a truck should be IMO. Function over form. It should be a vehicle for pragmatic drivers that need to haul stuff, but they have become status symbols.

The owner with a $600 note is more likely to worry about it getting scratched or dented. I know I would be.

And a truck that is too nice to get scratched or dented has limited utility for me. It’s basically a status symbol. They make Audi’s, Cadillacs, and BMWs for that purpose.

A truck should be cheap, reliable, and fairly basic.

Most of the used Silverados, Suburbans, F250s, and Rams on the used car market with 300,000+ miles are the mid or lower tier trim levels. In most cases with the base gasoline engine. They will have some battle scars.

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That’s how a truck should be IMO. Function over form. It should be a vehicle for pragmatic drivers that need to haul stuff, but they have become status symbols.

The owner with a $600 note is more likely to worry about it getting scratched or dented. I know I would be.

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For me, I financially didn't think the higher end truck was worth it. I make as much money as the next OT Baw, I just couldn't spend 75k for the same features in a 35k car. That being said, I don't totally agree that a truck shouldn't be a nice vehicle. If you do a lot of driving, need a truck, and want some luxury, it's probably more practical than having a nice car and a work truck. So the reasoning behind the "nice truck" is sound at it's base. The pricing however is absurd. And I do believe it is inflated due to the status symbol nature of it. But if it wasn't trucks, it'd be something else.

My issue isn't the higher end truck pricing. It's how it's dragged up the lower end. In 2010, we got my dad a truck fairly similar to what I recently got. Features are a little better on my truck, but only because it's 8 years newer. When factoring the time, it's close to the same trim. Sticker on my dad's was like 29k. Sticker on mine today was 41.6k. The backup camera and Bluetooth functions are not worth that much difference and it's nowhere near that much inflation in that short a time.

I paid that for a Lexus car. Certainly couldn't tow or anything like that, so I understand a truck will cost more. But it had any and every little feature for the interior and technology that a Lariat/King Ranch/Platinum or LTZ has. Yet an XL crew cab truck is going for upper 30's, and a King Ranch/Platinum is going for nearly 60k (MSRP). So you are paying a 30k premium for the tech/luxury features already in a mid to upper 30k car.

I'll admit 75k is a little bit hyberbole if only considering half ton trucks, but when looking at diesel trucks it's spot on. And I know of people who spend 70k on Tundra's.

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I'm just giving you a hard time. It's a shitload of overpriced dealer add-ons.

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I knew the answer, and also knew your intent

Autotrader had none of those listed when I searched

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A vehicle is a necessary commodity in our world, not to be compared with other depreciating assets. That’s an amateurish understanding of the basis for financing a vehicle.

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Not in DC. I have a 2010 that's paid off and I struggle to see how paying even $10,000 for a newer car would be worth it. That's a lot of Ubers and Zipcar rentals. Plus no insurance, no maintenance, the convenience of not having to deal with street parking, etc.

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it's still a 25-30k difference for features that are on a mid level luxury car that cost 35k total.

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No it isn't. You can get plenty of trucks with heated/cooled seats, remote start, nav etc for under $40k. And you're ignoring the very obvious difference in capabilities between the vehicles.

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And you can only judge off of MSRP

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That's an absurd statement.

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Cameras, heated and cooled seats, leather, heated steering, radar, auto windshield wipers, birds-eye camera, etc.. Our "non-truck" vehicles have had all those features.

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What luxury vehicle are you buying new that has all that for $35k? (I already know the answer is none, but I look forward to your spin)

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And you can only judge off of MSRP


That's an absurd statement.

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When comparing the difference in base vs high level trim of the same make and model??? In my experience, a lot of the time, the major discounts and rebates are more for the lower trim. That's exactly how it was when I just bought where anything above lariat did not get the rebate. So if anything, using MSRP is conservative.

I'm not comparing truck MSRP to car MSRP. I know regular vehicles don't get steep truck discounts. MSRP comparison is purely to show upcharge for features.

In terms of cars with those features in the 35k range, you can get the price in that area on a Lexus ES or Acura TLX if you shop. (At least in 2016-2017 when I shopped) That is not MSRP, but never claimed it was. I was comparing the premiums or additional costs for truck features costing nearly the same as the whole final sales price of a car that came with similar features. Also pretty sure you can get an Avalon or Accord with all those features. Doesn't need to be a luxury name brand to have them.