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re: Another Update on Ex-Seals dead on Maersk
Posted on 2/27/14 at 4:23 pm to Jones
Posted on 2/27/14 at 4:23 pm to Jones
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The denial and refusal to believe that maybe these dudes just od'd in this thread is awesome.
I'm not in denial that it happened, I just don't understand why someone would do it. Smart, capable people OD on heroin. I know this. But I don't get the mindset that takes a smart, capable person to the point that they would OD. This shite is not a mystery, and its effects are well known. It will frick you up in a bad way. I don't understand why anyone tries it the first time, much less someone who's proven they're a cut above the crowd in aptitude and intelligence.
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Posted on 2/27/14 at 4:23 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
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Occams razor
Very useful for cutting up cocaine, I'm told.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 4:26 pm to Jim Rockford
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I still have a hard time wrapping my mind around the heroin angle, though. SEALs aren't angels, but they are smarter than the average person, and anyone with their eyes open any time in the last 30-40 years should know heroin is bad news. Drinking, sure. Coke, why not. But H? Unless they just didn't give a shite any more, which I guess is possible.
SEALS are human. With all the same frailties we all have. PERIOD.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 4:30 pm to blueboy
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If they both used the same bad shite, no.
Bad shite, I can understand, but what if it was just uncut, too potent or whatever as some have suggested here?
Just trying to gauge the likelihood of the various possibilities.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 4:30 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
Seychelles are a LOT closer to Afghanistan than USA. H was probably ten times the potency they were used to....... Just saying.
That, and a dollar probably goes pretty far around there, if I had to guess.
That, and a dollar probably goes pretty far around there, if I had to guess.
This post was edited on 2/27/14 at 4:31 pm
Posted on 2/27/14 at 4:35 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
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SEALS are human. With all the same frailties we all have. PERIOD.
I agree, but I have a hard time understanding why anyone would get into heroin, SEAL or not.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 4:40 pm to USMCTiger03
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Is it odd that they would both react the same fatal way to the drug if it was just a OD or purity issue?
I have no idea but seems like it would be more likely to affect different people different ways.
to a point, but EVERY drug has an LD50, regardless of tolerance, body size, composition, etc….
the alcohol potentiated the heroin, bringing the onset of respiratory depression quicker than OD'ing on heroin alone…
considering the cause of death being reported, the finding of syringes, etc., i'd say it's pretty damning evidence that leads me to believe it was an overdose….
i don't believe the conspiracy theories of a coverup, etc., and like someone else said, if it happened on any other vessel, i doesn't make the Seychelles news, much less the US news….
Posted on 2/27/14 at 4:42 pm to Jim Rockford
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I agree, but I have a hard time understanding why anyone would get into heroin, SEAL or not.
it's not your cup of tea, we get that, but be careful, your naivety is showing….
Posted on 2/27/14 at 4:42 pm to chRxis
Why not put overdose on a death cert then?
Posted on 2/27/14 at 4:52 pm to Broke
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Why not put overdose on a death cert then?
term it how you want...
you don't die from the ACT of overdosing… you die as a RESULT of overdosing… the result of overdosing on opiate, at the upper limit of the scale, is severe respiratory depression…. you suppress respiration to a point where you suffocate, a.k.a your respiration fails….
thus, respiratory failure on the death certificate… 6 of one, half a dozen of the other...
This post was edited on 2/27/14 at 4:54 pm
Posted on 2/27/14 at 5:18 pm to Corkfather
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I seriously doubt they brought them back on the ship with them. We're talking about the Maersk Alabama. With all the shite that happened with Capt. Phillips I'd bet that security on that ship and in the port are much higher than normal.
They are the security.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 5:23 pm to chRxis
Yeah, from my understanding coroner's reports and death certs are always written in an obstuse, technical way. They don't say "overdose". They say "respiratory failure". They don't say "hit in the head with a lead pipe" they say "severe cranial trauma".
Posted on 2/27/14 at 5:31 pm to Camp Randall
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Actually I'm pretty sure Mark was a Boy Scout.
I was speaking figuratively, but yeah, so am I. Eagle Scout actually. So is Neil Armstrong, but then again, so is Michael Moore and so is this guy LINK. So, yeah, once again, just because you are part of a prestigious and limited club - SEALS, Eagle Scouts, whatever, doesn't guarantee that you are a morally sound person who will never do H or rob a bank.
This post was edited on 2/27/14 at 5:33 pm
Posted on 2/27/14 at 5:40 pm to Cooter Davenport
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They are the security.
They were security for the ship, not the port as a whole.
Most ships with PMCs have a two-man unit, being that it was the Alabama there's a good chance there were more than two. Not to mention all ships have someone on watch at night, could've even been the First Mate. It would be difficult to bring to local hookers onto the ship, even if they were security.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 5:44 pm to chRxis
Mixing any opiod with alcohol, esp. H is bad effn news.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 5:44 pm to Jim Rockford
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I agree, but I have a hard time understanding why anyone would get into heroin, SEAL or not.
A fellow SEAL wrote an article about it, it's more common than you could ever realize.
These guys are trying to escape from the shite they've seen and done. Not to mention their bodies are beat to shite and they've likely had a pain pill habit for some time. Couple that with the fact that they'd done multiple tours in Afghanistan, the heroin capital of the world, and it's not beyond the realm of possibility. There was actually a big thing in '07 where something like 13 SEALs tested positive when a whole a unit was tested due to suspicion.
Friends and family, neighbors, etc. are gonna say they've never known them to do anything like that out of respect and also because they've probably seen them very little while they were active or as contractors.
When they're active, they're always training or on deployments; they're away probably 80% of the year. In the case of contractors, they normally work 6 weeks on, 3 off or something along those lines. If they want the tax break for working out of country (which is substantial), they have to be out of the country a certain number of consecutive days; something like 250+ days. So when they do get time off they go to places like Australia, the UAE, China, S. Africa, etc.
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Why not put overdose on a death cert then?
The toxicology reports aren't back yet. They have to issue a death certificate, so the main cause would be respiratory failure.
Not to mention their employer is trying to cover his arse. Then there's life insurance factors.
This post was edited on 2/27/14 at 5:50 pm
Posted on 2/27/14 at 5:52 pm to Jim Rockford
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I just don't understand why someone would do it.
At 44 their bodies are shot, especially this generation of operators. The training and the missions destroy the human body and while in an active status they are kept full of opiates to keep going. I stepped in a hole in Afghanistan and got a 60 day supply of Oxy. Also would not be surprised if they got a taste in Afghanistan, that shite is everywhere in the South. The regular units have structure but the SEALs are out on their own alot.
Posted on 2/28/14 at 9:32 pm to Lakeboy7
Unfortunately the reality is people are kicked out of NSW all the time for drugs. It's not unbelievable to think someone who is no longer part of it could do them also. We all just hope people use their best judgement. Thoughts and prayers to the families.
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