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re: American wars and change of history: Foes turned friends over time
Posted on 7/5/25 at 12:35 pm to Privateer 2007
Posted on 7/5/25 at 12:35 pm to Privateer 2007
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This makes Blacks bitching about slavery etc that much more ridiculous.
Then they even bitch when you say you wish slavery never happened and they were still in Africa
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Posted on 7/5/25 at 1:51 pm to geauxtigahhhs
Viet Nam feels different than Japan / Germany. In WWII we were at war with Japan / Germany as whole countries.
With Viet Nam we fought with the South Vietnamese against their commie brethren in the north.
All of the refugees who were resettled here after we lost our taste for the war were our allies in the south.
In any case losing a war to the US has been very profitable long term for the losers. I mean we are just now getting around to leveling the playing field for trade after propping them all up for over 80 years.
With Viet Nam we fought with the South Vietnamese against their commie brethren in the north.
All of the refugees who were resettled here after we lost our taste for the war were our allies in the south.
In any case losing a war to the US has been very profitable long term for the losers. I mean we are just now getting around to leveling the playing field for trade after propping them all up for over 80 years.
This post was edited on 7/5/25 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 7/5/25 at 2:29 pm to Ponchy Tiger
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Are you familiar with how they treated American POW’s?
“They” are almost completely dead now
Posted on 7/5/25 at 4:12 pm to RollTide1987
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Some WWII vets no doubt did have a problem with the Japanese
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My grandfather was one of them.
I grew up around that generation. They were in their 50s when I was a kid. Had a number of great uncles who were WWII vets. Of the ones who fought in Europe, I don’t recall any of them saying anything bad about the Germans. But the ones who served in the Pacific, they freaking HATED anything and anyone Japanese.
This post was edited on 7/5/25 at 4:12 pm
Posted on 7/5/25 at 4:30 pm to Artificial Ignorance
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Japan Germany Vietnam You/your family made ultimate sacrifice, were wounded, gave your honorable military service to, friends and family alike…
Decades later to find American relationship with these same countries turn into a trade/friendly/ally relationship.
Isn't the ultimate goal, if not wholesale conquest, to turn enemies into friends?
What's the alternative?
War should be fought with one of two goals.
To Eliminate the enemy, or to Eliminate the threat aspect of the enemy...I.e. making them your ally.
Posted on 7/5/25 at 7:11 pm to fr33manator
It's pretty silly when you stop and think about it. Being someone's "enemy" who you've never met and will most likely never see in real life.
Most people are only "enemies" because they are told to be enemies.
Most people are only "enemies" because they are told to be enemies.
Posted on 7/5/25 at 7:14 pm to rintintin
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Most people are only "enemies" because they are told to be enemies.
Sage words right here!
Posted on 7/5/25 at 7:18 pm to Artificial Ignorance
If not already posted, the last episode of Band of Brothers summed up the attitude in Europe well when they took the surrender of the lone German NCO in the woods. The Wehrmacht (NOT the SS though) were mostly just soldiers like ours doing their jobs. Many US fighter pilots became friends with German aces post-war through after action analyses. German Ace and fighter commander Galland went so far as to name an American Ace as in his opinion, the best pilot of the war for any Air Force.
With Japan, it was very different. Those who fought them on the ground directly mostly hated them for the rest of their lives. Those who were primarily USN and later occupation forces came to a level of peace with the Japanese people, and a lot of war brides came home with them. Akio Toyoda would later say that the reason they built plants here to build Toyotas was that they felt a debt to the US for rebuilding Japan post-war.
Ironically, today, the Germans think they should have won, the Japanese are far more circumspect, if they know the history, which not all of them do.
Fun fact: Many consider the Godzilla movies to be a commentary on America and Japan. Godzilla shows up all invincible and destroying everything, then always ends up defending Japan.
With Japan, it was very different. Those who fought them on the ground directly mostly hated them for the rest of their lives. Those who were primarily USN and later occupation forces came to a level of peace with the Japanese people, and a lot of war brides came home with them. Akio Toyoda would later say that the reason they built plants here to build Toyotas was that they felt a debt to the US for rebuilding Japan post-war.
Ironically, today, the Germans think they should have won, the Japanese are far more circumspect, if they know the history, which not all of them do.
Fun fact: Many consider the Godzilla movies to be a commentary on America and Japan. Godzilla shows up all invincible and destroying everything, then always ends up defending Japan.
This post was edited on 7/5/25 at 7:25 pm
Posted on 7/5/25 at 8:04 pm to Artificial Ignorance
My grandma hated them. Her brother was killed by a "Jap" sniper over in the Pacific.
My granddad (her husband) was at D-Day so he was in the Euro theater and I dunno if he had an opinion. He was a cool dude and didn't seem to hold grudges about the war.
They actually had a large contingent of German POWs that were relocated to their small town. The German soldiers lived normal lives, married Americans,.etc.
My granddad (her husband) was at D-Day so he was in the Euro theater and I dunno if he had an opinion. He was a cool dude and didn't seem to hold grudges about the war.
They actually had a large contingent of German POWs that were relocated to their small town. The German soldiers lived normal lives, married Americans,.etc.
Posted on 7/5/25 at 8:05 pm to Artificial Ignorance
When you defeat a nation you influence their subsequent elections… aka install west friendly puppet governments. Its all an illusion.. not complaining.. i love having Japan as an ally, but i also see americas post war influence
Posted on 7/5/25 at 10:54 pm to Artificial Ignorance
My dad was a WW2 veteran and I knew a fair number of other WW2 vets growing up. He was in the infantry in Europe. He never showed any resentment or hatred for the Germans. He used to describe to me how after the end of the war he and a lot of other guys went out on their own time to help out on farms and help them get the work done and re-established. He evn bought a Beetle when I was a kid.
The ones I knew who had been in the Pacific, virtually every one of them hated the Japanese until the day they died.
The ones I knew who had been in the Pacific, virtually every one of them hated the Japanese until the day they died.
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