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re: All show and no go... many 80s muscle cars were weak sauce
Posted on 6/8/25 at 1:44 pm to udtiger
Posted on 6/8/25 at 1:44 pm to udtiger
Just as leftist bureaucrats in the government, namely the EPA, screwed up automobiles in the early to mid 70s, thus birthing the vehicles of the 80s, they’re doing it again today. Further proof that leftists are a literal cancer that destroys everything they touch. I mean, just look at what they did to the Mustang…
From this in 1969…
To this barley five years later…
Which gave birth to this in the 1980s…
Then in the 90s and early 2000s, the world began to heal somewhat…
Bet then the leftists got their way again and now just look at it….
From this in 1969…
To this barley five years later…
Which gave birth to this in the 1980s…
Then in the 90s and early 2000s, the world began to heal somewhat…
Bet then the leftists got their way again and now just look at it….
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Posted on 6/8/25 at 1:54 pm to Darth_Vader
quote:Last I checked you can still buy a 2025 mustang GT that smashes any of the above mustangs? and the mach E GT smashes it 0-60
Bet then the leftists got their way again and now just look at it….
Posted on 6/8/25 at 1:55 pm to OU Guy
quote:
We went from this glorious 1970 Boss 429
To this piece of shite 1974 Mustang 2
The person that designed that abomination should have been fired on the spot... much less putting it into production.
Posted on 6/8/25 at 1:57 pm to Kcrad
Early 60’s to early 70’s was the glory days. When I was in high school early to mid 80’s there were repurposed cars from that era at school and all over the road. Those cars would haul arse.
Posted on 6/8/25 at 1:59 pm to tigerinthebueche
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All I know is my friends ‘87 Mustang 5.0 was fast
It wasn’t.
I owned a new 5.0 Fox body. 1993.
225hp, 0-60 was 6.1 seconds.
Maybe 140 top speed, and it was hustling there.
They felt fast, but they had shitty brakes and it was a Grenada platform, so it wasn’t any kind of a performance car.
Now, take any sport coupe or sedan of today, and it would embarrass anyone in a 5.0 Fox body.
Posted on 6/8/25 at 2:01 pm to subMOA
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It wasn’t.
Relative to when it was built, it was. You have to put things in context of its day.
Posted on 6/8/25 at 2:01 pm to FightinTigersDammit
My buddy’s dad had an early 80’s Mustang Cobra. It should have been illegal to put the Cobra badge on that car.
I looked up a childhood super car, the 82 Ferrari 308 GTSi (Magnum). Produced a massive 250 HP and 0-60 in 7.5 seconds. We thought that was a super car back then.
I looked up a childhood super car, the 82 Ferrari 308 GTSi (Magnum). Produced a massive 250 HP and 0-60 in 7.5 seconds. We thought that was a super car back then.
Posted on 6/8/25 at 2:04 pm to wareaglepete
Euro version was probably hotter.
Posted on 6/8/25 at 2:07 pm to Lonnie Utah
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Name one that you can get for under $100K.
Didn’t know there was a price limit. Tesla Plaid model S is $86,000 0-60 in 1.99 seconds. Dodge Challenger SRT Demon under $100,000 0-60 1.66 seconds.
This post was edited on 6/8/25 at 2:13 pm
Posted on 6/8/25 at 2:08 pm to blueboy
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No there aren't, and the ones that are aren't production cars.
achieved by a production car.
Aspark Owl:
The Aspark Owl is the fastest street-legal production car with a 0-60 mph time of 1.72 seconds.
Rimac Nevera:
Another electric hypercar, the Rimac Nevera, also boasts a very impressive 0-60 mph time of 1.85 seconds.
Tesla Model S Plaid:
The Tesla Model S Plaid is a strong contender, achieving 0-60 mph in 1.99 seconds according to MotorTrend.
Porsche Taycan Turbo GT:
This electric Porsche has been tested to achieve 0-60 mph in 1.9 seconds, breaking the two-second barrier according to Car and Driver.
Dodge Challenger SRT Demon 170:
This gas-powered muscle car is a surprise contender, achieving 0-60 mph in 1.66 seconds.
This post was edited on 6/8/25 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 6/8/25 at 2:10 pm to FightinTigersDammit
quote:
Euro version was probably hotter.
That was Euro, LOL. American version was about 237 HP, don’t know the 0-60.
Posted on 6/8/25 at 2:10 pm to TigerHornII
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Wrong.
Fair however 1980-1984 Mustang GTs & Corvettes were slower than a new Odyssey per this link LINK /
Posted on 6/8/25 at 2:15 pm to highcotton2
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Didn’t know there was a price limit. Tesla Plaid is under $100,000 0-60 in 1.99 seconds. Dodge Challenger SRT Demon under $100,000 0-60 1.66 seconds.
Here's my point. The average person could afford buy a camero or mustang or even the corvette. And that's not to mention the muscle car sedans of the 1970s. Heck, my 4th grade teacher drove an olds 442. The cars you list really aren't that. And while those cars might list for right under $100k, the reality is, by the time you add tax, tags, title and not to mention dealer premium, you're not getting out the door with either of those for less than $100k. That's not in range of the average person.
This post was edited on 6/8/25 at 2:19 pm
Posted on 6/8/25 at 2:21 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
quote:
No better way to rile up a bunch of crusty old bastards at work than to tell them that old muscle cars were pieces of shite.
Nah, I had an 86 Camaro. POS would get light and loose at 85 mph. I was never a person who wanted to drive fast, anyway.
Posted on 6/8/25 at 2:25 pm to highcotton2
quote:
Aspark Owl
$3.1 million
quote:
Rimac Nevera
$2.2 million
quote:
Tesla Model S Plaid
$96k
quote:
Porsche Taycan Turbo GT
$230k
quote:
Dodge Challenger SRT Demon 170
$97k
Posted on 6/8/25 at 2:27 pm to Lonnie Utah
quote:
Here's my point. The average person could afford buy a camero or mustang or even the corvette. And that's not to mention the muscle car sedans of the 1970s. Heck, my 4th grade teacher drove an olds 442. The cars you list really aren't that. And while those cars might list for right under $100k, the reality is, by the time you add tax, tags, title and not to mention dealer premium, you're not getting out the door with either of those for less than $100k. That's not in range of the average person.
Don’t disagree with any of that. My only point was fast cars of the past that everyone thinks of as fast like old muscle cars are not very fast. That’s not a bad thing. It’s just progress. I work with multiple old guys that think the old muscle cars of the late 60’s were the fastest things every put on the street and it hurts their feelings for some reason to point out that most cars today would beat them.
This post was edited on 6/8/25 at 2:28 pm
Posted on 6/8/25 at 2:30 pm to Lonnie Utah
You said name one and I named two. Don’t really understand why that upsets you. It’s not that big a deal that a Buick built in the 90’s is slow by today’s standards that should be expected.
Posted on 6/8/25 at 2:31 pm to highcotton2
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Don’t disagree with any of that. My only point was fast cars of the past that everyone thinks of as fast like old muscle cars are not very fast.
But as I've tried to point out to folks in this thread, based on the technology of the day AND the federal regs of the day, the manufacturers did the best they could. To compare them to the cars of the 60s-70s (no federal regs and low gas prices) or today (with computer aided design) is unfair.
Posted on 6/8/25 at 2:34 pm to highcotton2
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Don’t really understand why that upsets you.
Who said it upsets me? I'm just making a point about affordability and obtainability.
This post was edited on 6/8/25 at 2:35 pm
Posted on 6/8/25 at 2:39 pm to Lonnie Utah
quote:
Who said it upsets me? I'm just making a point about affordability and obtainability.
A guy at my high school had a Buick GNX and it cost $30,000 in 1987 that is like $84,700 in today’s dollars. There is a car that is more that 50% faster than that for about the same money today.
But back to the original post disregarding cost technology or whatever. The fact is those were not fast cars by today’s standards. That was the only argument. Is 0-60 in 4.7 seconds fast for a car today? The answer is no.
This post was edited on 6/8/25 at 2:41 pm
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