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re: All eyes on Oregon as state law takes effect, decriminalizing possession of hard drugs

Posted on 2/2/21 at 4:37 pm to
Posted by SEClint
New Orleans, LA/Portland, OR
Member since Nov 2006
49479 posts
Posted on 2/2/21 at 4:37 pm to
..yeah..
Posted by BeepNode
Lafayette
Member since Feb 2014
10005 posts
Posted on 2/2/21 at 6:33 pm to
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not everyone is responsible enough for freedom.


Its too bad you (the collective you, not you specifically) are too dumb to realize that the Democrats use every logical fallacy and instrument that you come up with against you.

Here's what happens next.

Democrats point out that Republicans don't believe that people are responsible enough for freedom. You said it yourself. They then use that to disarm your complaints when they take away freedoms YOU care about.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297018 posts
Posted on 2/2/21 at 6:37 pm to
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not everyone is responsible enough for freedom


Sound like a democrat.

That ain't up to you to judge.
Posted by BeepNode
Lafayette
Member since Feb 2014
10005 posts
Posted on 2/2/21 at 6:40 pm to
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I'd be all for it if drug overdoses and other drug abuse medical conditions were exempt from EMTALA or any other taxpayer-funded emergency medical services.

You want personal responsibility when it comes to drugs? You fricking got it buddy. Just try to OD in an out of the way corner.


Why couldn't Democrats use the same logic for soft drinks and junk food?
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
Member since May 2012
59103 posts
Posted on 2/2/21 at 6:45 pm to
this is a terrible idea so long as other states aren't doing it as well. lots of druggie losers will move to oregon.
Posted by diat150
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2005
47239 posts
Posted on 2/2/21 at 6:45 pm to
I think you misinterpreted my point. We as citizen’s In this society are born with freedoms. When someone has destroyed their life by disrespecting the public then they have shown to not be responsible enough to be a part of society and enjoying the freedoms. Destroying public space by being a bum drug head that lounges around and shits and pisses all over the place and generally being a eyesore and a hinderance on others should not be accepted. Allowing these types more leeway is not acceptable in a civilized society.
Posted by diat150
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2005
47239 posts
Posted on 2/2/21 at 6:48 pm to
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Sound like a democrat.

That ain't up to you to judge.


I sound like a democrat but democrats are the ones wanting these drug heads running around and destroying their cities. Y’all seem to have some backwards thoughts here. I could give a frick about labels.... I just don’t want peoples lives being destroyed or more importantly bums destroying public spaces like they have in places like Portland.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297018 posts
Posted on 2/2/21 at 6:48 pm to
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Why couldn't Democrats use the same logic for soft drinks and junk food?


They have

Mayor Bloomberg tried to ban large sodas in NYC.
Posted by BeepNode
Lafayette
Member since Feb 2014
10005 posts
Posted on 2/2/21 at 7:20 pm to
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They have

Mayor Bloomberg tried to ban large sodas in NYC.


and you supported it since sugary drinks contribute to tons of health problems and societal costs, right?

Posted by stlslick
St.Louis,Mo
Member since Nov 2012
14607 posts
Posted on 2/2/21 at 8:51 pm to
I want to say Portland did this, and it was really bad.

tweakers literally hang out every where. They did a cover story, and showed this mother and her daughter going to an outside eatery, and 10 feet away, this tweaker is tweaking, while pissing and shitting himself.

Posted by lsuconnman
Baton rouge
Member since Feb 2007
4480 posts
Posted on 2/2/21 at 9:21 pm to
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Just because it didnt work doesnt mean it cant work.


Guess the socialists aren’t the only ones that appreciate this argument.
Posted by Peepdip
Member since Aug 2016
4946 posts
Posted on 2/2/21 at 9:33 pm to
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Oh will we be able to tell the difference in Portland?
That’s kind of the point actually. People who use hard drugs don’t care if it’s illegal or not, so you’re not about to get a spike in new users. There aren’t a bunch of people who are like “I really want to do crack but it’s illegal”

Making any drug illegal doesn’t really have any positive effects on society. It’s an over reach of Government power. No one should go to jail for doing drugs, because drug use isn’t necessarily morally wrong, as much as it is dangerous to the person doing it.

This post was edited on 2/2/21 at 9:35 pm
Posted by tigers25
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2020
2158 posts
Posted on 2/2/21 at 9:46 pm to
Let them do their drugs and if they get sick and start to die, let them die. Call me a-hole, IDGAF.

I’m not paying to help some worthless POS who has done drugs after drugs after drugs and has contributed nothing to society.
Posted by BeepNode
Lafayette
Member since Feb 2014
10005 posts
Posted on 2/3/21 at 2:46 pm to
How much money could we save in the associated police, judiciary, and incarceration costs? Not to mention societal costs of having people be ex-cons, losing their fathers, etc.

Surely rehab and societal costs of increased usage is no more expensive than all that?

Bonus: You could cripple the Mexican cartels by legalizing production here. This creates a better neighbor to the South.

Also, I hate the idea of having to use economics to justify freedom. I’m willing to pay more for freedom.
This post was edited on 2/3/21 at 2:51 pm
Posted by Peepdip
Member since Aug 2016
4946 posts
Posted on 2/3/21 at 11:36 pm to
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Also, I hate the idea of having to use economics to justify freedom. I’m willing to pay more for freedom.
That’s because you’re a true American. Tigercuck25 would have been all for prohibition of alcohol back in the day. “Do you really want to pay drunk people? Alcoholics are losers!”

This post was edited on 2/3/21 at 11:37 pm
Posted by ManBearTiger
BRLA
Member since Jun 2007
22316 posts
Posted on 2/3/21 at 11:52 pm to
Is the trafficking of said drugs also decriminalized?
Posted by brass2mouth
NOLA
Member since Jul 2007
20433 posts
Posted on 2/4/21 at 3:57 am to
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not everyone is responsible enough for freedom.



Ugh....wut?

quote:

you want to get your peers hooked on hard drugs and ruin their lives and families lives you should pay with your own.


wouldn’t that be a personal choice of the “peer”?

My problem with all this is the same as several others have stated regarding tax money.

Want an abortion or use heroin? I don’t give a damn, just stop paying for it with tax money.
Posted by BluegrassBelle
RIP Hefty Lefty - 1981-2019
Member since Nov 2010
106238 posts
Posted on 2/4/21 at 7:26 am to
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Is the trafficking of said drugs also decriminalized?


It’s literally said in the OP.

quote:

The new law only applies to possession and does not make it legal to sell, distribute or manufacture drugs.
Posted by I Bleed Garnet
Cullman, AL
Member since Jul 2011
54846 posts
Posted on 2/4/21 at 7:26 am to
Just disgusting

A bunch of drug dealers and strung out druggies all around the state

This will do very well!
Posted by BluegrassBelle
RIP Hefty Lefty - 1981-2019
Member since Nov 2010
106238 posts
Posted on 2/4/21 at 7:31 am to
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Let them do their drugs and if they get sick and start to die, let them die. Call me a-hole, IDGAF.

I’m not paying to help some worthless POS who has done drugs after drugs after drugs and has contributed nothing to society.



I won’t call you an a-hole. You’re just not paying attention to how ineffective it is to incarcerate a drug addict.

It’s significantly more expensive to incarcerate someone then it is to send them to rehab and attempt to remedy the issue. Once incarcerated, odds go up quite a bit that they will be incarcerated again. Particularly if it’s a felony charge. From a societal aspect, we’re setting them up to move from being an addict to a criminal.

Oregon is using profits from marijuana legalization to partially fund rehab facilities and programs. So it’s costing their people even less than typical incarceration.

It also frees up space in a crowded correctional system for people who actually need to be in jail/prison.
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