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re: Alcoholism: Why Is It A Disease?
Posted on 6/15/18 at 10:48 am to tigerdude3232
Posted on 6/15/18 at 10:48 am to tigerdude3232
You're not a burden to me. If you'll look up, you'll see the point sailing over your head. Give it a wave.
To address the effects on the brain for the other people:
Betty Ford
To address the effects on the brain for the other people:
Betty Ford
Posted on 6/15/18 at 10:49 am to Festus
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My one contention, and I shared this with the counselors and my family, and everyone in the room, was the labeling it a disease. No one could ever give, in my opinion, a true justification for that, except for, well, the AMA defines it as one. I felt like it lessened the responsibility of the addict. And in my case, it did. The alcoholic hid behind the disease aspect.
Just wanted you to know, that's the angle I'm coming from. I've seen the struggle, and know it's not easy at all.
Wow a real answer, too bad your opinion doesn't matter because you weren't ever a brain damaged addict
Posted on 6/15/18 at 10:50 am to Festus
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The alcoholic hid behind the disease aspect.
Well, it's really nothing to hide behind and actually (to me) would be socially unacceptable to do so.
In the end, I wasn't drinking to get drunk or feel high. I was drinking to not be sick. Not even to feel normal, just not puke, shake, etc.
Posted on 6/15/18 at 10:51 am to Kcrad
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That sounds like research to me. Watch your six, Festus.
She's trying to get me addicted as well. I told that bitch, don't give me your nasty disease. And she constantly describes how she would kill me and get away with it. But most importantly, she tells me if she's ever murdered, that I DO NOT give them shitty pictures of her from bad angle, holding beer cans, with greasy hair. I have promised to go through and only provide Investigation ID photos of her where she is semi-attractive and not trashy looking. That's her biggest fear, shitty pictures released to the public, or getting murdered while masturbating and eating a tub of ice cream. And that being the main theme of the show.
Posted on 6/15/18 at 10:52 am to Festus
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No one could ever give, in my opinion, a true justification for that, except for, well, the AMA defines it as one. I felt like it lessened the responsibility of the addict. And in my case, it did. The alcoholic hid behind the disease aspect.
Just wanted you to know, that's the angle I'm coming from. I've seen the struggle, and know it's not easy at all.
It has signs and symptoms, it's progressive, and it's treatable. It fits the definition really well.
It sucks when the person doesn't want help and want to accept responsibility. Part of the issue is using whatever to escape responsibility. That's the dream. And until that delusion is smashed, no real progress can be made.
Posted on 6/15/18 at 10:53 am to RogerTheShrubber
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I mean I'm sorry your word isn't very strong
You wouldn't believe any evidence that bursts your little belief.
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So alcoholism and all other substance abuse disorders are mental disorders, with a high physical complication rate
LINK
Is a mental illness a disease now?
Posted on 6/15/18 at 10:54 am to tigerdude3232
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Is a mental illness a disease now?
Absolutely.
How old are you? I feel like I'm talking to a kid...
Posted on 6/15/18 at 10:54 am to EarlyCuyler3
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You're not a burden to me. If you'll look up, you'll see the point sailing over your head. Give it a wave.
To address the effects on the brain for the other people:
Betty Ford
LTFOL can you and your bf use a different website at least. I'm just glad I made you try to provide info lol, don't care if you like me but I feel like you need to have at least some evidence of your opinions
Posted on 6/15/18 at 10:54 am to tigerdude3232
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Is a mental illness a disease now?
Oh boy, we gettin' deep now son.
Posted on 6/15/18 at 10:56 am to tigerdude3232
So...you're saying I proved my point?
Posted on 6/15/18 at 10:57 am to Festus
Don't ever talk to that Keith Morrison guy. He acts like he's your friend, but I've seen him in action. He's an assassin.
Posted on 6/15/18 at 10:57 am to RogerTheShrubber
There's always a troll frick stick in these threads. Don't even respond to that guy, he's just fishing for bull shite
Posted on 6/15/18 at 10:57 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Well, it's really nothing to hide behind and actually (to me) would be socially unacceptable to do so.
In the end, I wasn't drinking to get drunk or feel high. I was drinking to not be sick. Not even to feel normal, just not puke, shake, etc.
Mine was a little different. They would quit because of the issues it was causing with all of their relationships. And the reason they gave for drinking was "drinking is no different than taking medicine. I have a disease. Alcohol makes the pain go away. Why is it ok to take medicine that stops pain, but not drink alcohol to stop the pain (mental and physical)"
The person was extremely, extremely smart. Knew better. But it made it easier for him to lie to himself knowing he had a disease.
Posted on 6/15/18 at 10:57 am to Bama and Beer
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There's always a troll frick stick in these threads
Nah, I think he's actually a very uneducated baw.
Posted on 6/15/18 at 10:59 am to EarlyCuyler3
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It has signs and symptoms, it's progressive, and it's treatable. It fits the definition really well.
signs and symptoms: Drinking
Progressiveness: As you drink more often, you must consume more and more to get drunk or to "your level"
Treatable: stop it
Child who is neglected at home
Signs and symptoms: acting out in school
Progressiveness: continually acts out with more and more destructive behavior
Treatable: mom and dad start being parents
Is that a disease too?
Posted on 6/15/18 at 10:59 am to Festus
I can understand your point. If they're using the label as a disease as a Crutch or something to hide behind, they truly don't want to be sober and clean up their side of the street. I'm just letting you know I don't get hung up on the concept of the label as a disease. It doesn't matter to me because I know I'm fricked up
Posted on 6/15/18 at 11:00 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Is a mental illness a disease now?
Absolutely.
How old are you? I feel like I'm talking to a kid...
I'm just not into people getting to claim they have a mental illness to crutch through life sorry buddy boy
Posted on 6/15/18 at 11:01 am to tigerdude3232
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Child who is neglected at home
I think I'll defer to your experience on this one boss.
Posted on 6/15/18 at 11:01 am to EarlyCuyler3
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So...you're saying I proved my point?
Hahaha no
Posted on 6/15/18 at 11:02 am to RogerTheShrubber
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There's always a troll frick stick in these threads
Nah, I think he's actually a very uneducated baw.
yea probably
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