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re: After 60 Years, B-52s Still Dominate U.S. Fleet

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Posted by beejon
University Of Louisiana Warhawks
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 12/6/15 at 5:00 pm to
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I hope one day, before I am too old to attend, we have a B-52 flyover at tiger stadium...


Surprised that hasn't happened. There was a B-52 flyover at a ULM military game day a few years ago. Pretty awesome.
Posted by teddy roosevelt
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 12/6/15 at 5:00 pm to
that flyover has happened recently I believe. I could have been hammered and mistaken about the plane that flew but i remember being amazed that a b-52 flew over.
Posted by Drew Orleans
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Posted on 12/6/15 at 5:03 pm to
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Posted by Mizzoufan26
Vacaville CA
Member since Sep 2012
18802 posts
Posted on 12/6/15 at 5:09 pm to
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Colonel Kristen Goodwin






She cute for a bomber pilot O-6
This post was edited on 12/6/15 at 5:11 pm
Posted by ginms
Ridgeland Ms
Member since Aug 2007
1885 posts
Posted on 12/6/15 at 5:15 pm to
What beauty !
Posted by ginms
Ridgeland Ms
Member since Aug 2007
1885 posts
Posted on 12/6/15 at 5:16 pm to
I mean the B-52............
Posted by GurleyGirl
Georgia
Member since Nov 2015
14183 posts
Posted on 12/6/15 at 6:06 pm to
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After 60 Years, B-52s Still Dominate U.S. Fleet
B 52 flying without a tail



Those were some smart guys involved in bringing that B-52 down safely. /salute
Posted by FlyingTiger06
Bossier City, LA
Member since Nov 2004
1943 posts
Posted on 12/6/15 at 9:28 pm to
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I know that exact timing is a priority with a flyover and all I can figure is that they aren't maneuverable enough to hit the timing.


Maneuverability has nothing to do with time control unless you have totally fricked up a turn inbound and realize you need to really crank up the G's to get around the turn faster. That would be a very rookie mistake.

There are three likely reasons why you haven't seen it:
1. The game happens on the weekends, so unless it is a UTA weekend that our Reserves are flying we'd have to have our maintainers come in on the weekend to generate the sortie. Sounds like a pathetic abuse, but put yourself in their shoes and see if you want to work on your day off to have a jet do a flyby for some event you may not give a shite about.
2. The B-52 hasn't been requested when LSU does the request for the flyby.
3. If #2 is true, some other organization jumped on the request before any B-52 unit saw that a request for a flyby was out there.

Just to further prove #1 above, in 2004 I did all the leg work with the Cadets of the Ole War Skule to have a B-52 do the flyby for the LSU Salutes ceremony which occurs right at 1100. We were then going to return to land at Barksdale and the crew get in a gov't vehicle and drive back down to BR. Was a night game, so plenty of time to make that turn around and no way you can land a B-52 at BR's airport. Had it arranged for us to get free tickets into the game and recognized before the game for the flyby and because all of us were veterans of both OEF and OIF. Everything was good to go, but the 2d Bomb Wing's Maintenance Group Commander squashed it because he didn't want his maintenance troops to have to generate the sortie on a Saturday.
Posted by FlyingTiger06
Bossier City, LA
Member since Nov 2004
1943 posts
Posted on 12/6/15 at 9:30 pm to
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She cute for a bomber pilot O-6


She's gay. And that's not a joke or a slight. Just a matter of fact.
Posted by FlyingTiger06
Bossier City, LA
Member since Nov 2004
1943 posts
Posted on 12/6/15 at 9:31 pm to
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sullivanct19a


Upvote for excellent sarcasm.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
TeamBunt General Manager
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 12/6/15 at 9:36 pm to
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She's gay. And that's not a joke or a slight. Just a matter of fact.




My buddy flies for the squadron up at Barksdale. He was selected to give her an intro flight on the B52 when she took over.
Posted by Spankum
Miss-sippi
Member since Jan 2007
58669 posts
Posted on 12/6/15 at 9:38 pm to
thanks for the insight...I had no idea how most of that works. I appreciate your service...
Posted by FlyingTiger06
Bossier City, LA
Member since Nov 2004
1943 posts
Posted on 12/6/15 at 9:48 pm to
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I appreciate your service

Thanks.

Most of time control is basic math. For straight lines, simply use the Speed = Distance/Time formula. When factoring in a turn, you just have to know your turn rate in degrees/sec. That's going to be the same in any aircraft whether it's a B-52, F-16, or Cessna 172.

The funny thing (and sort of ironic) about your original post is that B-52s are typically much better at controlling time because they have a Navigator who's primary job is to figure out the timing versus a single seat fighter where the pilot is trying to do all that and fly the aircraft by himself/herself.
Posted by RedFoxx
New Orleans, LA
Member since Jan 2009
6472 posts
Posted on 12/6/15 at 9:50 pm to
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no way you can land a B-52 at BR's airport.


The longest runway at BTR is 7500 ft I think.

How much would a B-52 need for takeoff and landing?
Posted by FlyingTiger06
Bossier City, LA
Member since Nov 2004
1943 posts
Posted on 12/6/15 at 9:53 pm to
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My buddy flies for the squadron up at Barksdale


Do you know which squadron he is in? There are several flying squadrons at Barksdale.

93rd Bomb Squadron - Reserves, formal training unit
11th Bomb Squadron - Active Duty, formal training unit
343rd Bomb Squadron - Reserves, combat squadron
20th Bomb Squadron - Active Duty, combat squadron
96th Bomb Squadron - Active Duty, combat squadron
49th Test and Evaluation Squadron - Active Duty, Operational Test
340th Weapons Squadron - Active Duty, B-52 Weapons School
Posted by Spankum
Miss-sippi
Member since Jan 2007
58669 posts
Posted on 12/6/15 at 9:55 pm to
fascinating...due to their function, I could certainly see the need to have a navigator handle that responsibility. I guess I just figured that the more critical aspect would be the ability to put the aircraft at the exact spot desired, but time would be secondary.
Posted by FlyingTiger06
Bossier City, LA
Member since Nov 2004
1943 posts
Posted on 12/6/15 at 9:56 pm to
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How much would a B-52 need for takeoff and landing?


Per regulation, we need a minimum runway length of 10,000 feet and minimum width of 200 feet. The Operations Group Commander can waive those, but typically you want at least 9,000 feet long and no narrower than 150 feet. The length is mostly needed because of our very poor braking system and you have to have enough to safely abort a takeoff if warranted and stop without going off the runway. The width is needed because our tip gear are 147.5 feet apart.
Posted by FlyingTiger06
Bossier City, LA
Member since Nov 2004
1943 posts
Posted on 12/6/15 at 10:00 pm to
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I guess I just figured that the more critical aspect would be the ability to put the aircraft at the exact spot desired


Also very easy and we have more than enough maneuverability to do that. Most flybys start from an initial point/control point about 10 nautical miles from the point of interest. Typically the aircraft crosses that point already on the correct heading desired (i.e. straight down the length of the field for a game flyby) and pointed at the spot.

I did this flyby for the Va Tech game on Sep 11, 2004.
LINK
Posted by RedFoxx
New Orleans, LA
Member since Jan 2009
6472 posts
Posted on 12/6/15 at 10:00 pm to
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Per regulation, we need a minimum runway length of 10,000 feet and minimum width of 200 feet. The Operations Group Commander can waive those, but typically you want at least 9,000 feet long and no narrower than 150 feet. The length is mostly needed because of our very poor braking system and you have to have enough to safely abort a takeoff if warranted and stop without going off the runway. The width is needed because our tip gear are 147.5 feet apart.


Interesting. BTR runways are only 150 feet wide. So even if they had the length they don't have the width.


TWSS
Posted by FlyingTiger06
Bossier City, LA
Member since Nov 2004
1943 posts
Posted on 12/6/15 at 10:05 pm to
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So even if they had the length they don't have the width.


Exactly. Also, the taxiways are way too narrow and the concrete simply isn't stressed to handle a B-52. Our landing gear is made up of a relatively small number of large tires which doesn't do a great job of distributing weight. As such, we need extremely strong concrete underneath us. A 747 fully loaded can go to a lot of places we can't because they have more tires to distribute weight. BTR isn't even close.
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