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re: According to a new survey, only 16% of Christians believe in the doctrine of the Trinity
Posted on 3/30/25 at 4:15 pm to N2cars
Posted on 3/30/25 at 4:15 pm to N2cars
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So, you're saying you belive that, but why is it necessary?
I’m saying I see no reason why someone couldn’t claim to be a non-trinitarian Christian. It’s as simple as that.
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Posted on 3/30/25 at 4:16 pm to Stinger_1066
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Sure it does.
Within Christianity, there are Catholics, several flavors of Orthodox, an umpteen number of Protestant denominations, the Mormons, etc.
They all claim to be Christians, but they all disagree on something, otherwise there would be only one Christian denomination.
And they all claim that they are right and all the others are wrong.
I responded to someone who said he shouldn't have to buy into everything his religion of choice preaches. It wasn't a argument abt differences of belief between religions but rather adherence of all the applicable teaching within a stated religion.
This post was edited on 3/30/25 at 4:24 pm
Posted on 3/30/25 at 4:16 pm to Irishspecialist
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As defined in the name Christianity is the belief and following of the lord Jesus CHRIST which is what Christianity is about
I don’t disagree.
I simply see no reason why that would be inherently trinitarian.
Posted on 3/30/25 at 4:19 pm to Joshjrn
Ok, well, to me that is essentially saying you don't belive in Jesus or the Holy Spirt.
IMO, this person would not be a Christian, since Jesus clearly states. " No one comes to the Father but through me..."
But as I've said before, it's not my call to make and I'm glad of it.
IMO, this person would not be a Christian, since Jesus clearly states. " No one comes to the Father but through me..."
But as I've said before, it's not my call to make and I'm glad of it.
Posted on 3/30/25 at 4:22 pm to Joshjrn
It’s as preposterous as asserting Muslims or Jews are Christians because they believe in the God of Abraham.
If you don’t believe in the trinity, you don’t believe in the Christian God. You believe in something else.
If you don’t believe in the trinity, you don’t believe in the Christian God. You believe in something else.
Posted on 3/30/25 at 4:22 pm to N2cars
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Ok, well, to me that is essentially saying you don't belive in Jesus or the Holy Spirt. IMO, this person would not be a Christian, since Jesus clearly states. " No one comes to the Father but through me..." But as I've said before, it's not my call to make and I'm glad of it.
Salvation can only come through Jesus if the person also believes that god the father, god the son, and god the Holy Spirit are three distinct persons in one singular god? That seems like quite the stretch to me.
Posted on 3/30/25 at 4:24 pm to Joshjrn
Blaspheming the Holy Spirit is explicitly outlined as the only unforgivable sin.
I guess it’s up to the individual to decide what, exactly, that entails.
Bastardizing the divinity of the Holy Spirit seems like it would fit the bill.
I guess it’s up to the individual to decide what, exactly, that entails.
Bastardizing the divinity of the Holy Spirit seems like it would fit the bill.
Posted on 3/30/25 at 4:24 pm to Hateradedrink
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It’s as preposterous as asserting Muslims or Jews are Christians because they believe in the God of Abraham. If you don’t believe in the trinity, you don’t believe in the Christian God. You believe in something else.
Absurd analogy. Belief in the divinity of Jesus is the defining difference between Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. You’re begging the question by pretending as through belief in the Trinity is necessary to believing in the divinity of Jesus, which simply isn’t reflective of reality.
Posted on 3/30/25 at 4:26 pm to Joshjrn
Christianity is the following of Jesus Christ . Religion is how you worship which is totally different. Different religions have different ways of worship and different understanding . Religion is almost always about different things for everyone. God only wants a relationship with you and you to have faith in him . We are all sinners and need to have that relationship with him to forgive us . The religions are made up of a lot of man made rules . God gave us 10 rules -Comandments and his son gave us one to believe in him and the Holy Spirit
Posted on 3/30/25 at 4:27 pm to Joshjrn
If you don't belive,you don't believe.
We're anonymous posters on a football board discussing your eternal salvation.
That's very important, IMO. I'd be willing to meet in person to discuss it further, and id have scripture prepared for you.
Or, if you know someone close to you that is in the faith, please talk with them.
We're anonymous posters on a football board discussing your eternal salvation.
That's very important, IMO. I'd be willing to meet in person to discuss it further, and id have scripture prepared for you.
Or, if you know someone close to you that is in the faith, please talk with them.
Posted on 3/30/25 at 4:27 pm to Hateradedrink
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Blaspheming the Holy Spirit is explicitly outlined as the only unforgivable sin. I guess it’s up to the individual to decide what, exactly, that entails. Bastardizing the divinity of the Holy Spirit seems like it would fit the bill.
Which in context was knowingly saying that the miraculous works of Jesus were the works of Satan. Citing that as proof that a trinitarian belief is inherent to being Christian is quite the stretch, in my opinion.
Posted on 3/30/25 at 4:28 pm to Joshjrn
Nah. It’s completely appropriate.
Mormons like to claim they are Christian, but they doubt the divinity. They are not Christian.
Mormons like to claim they are Christian, but they doubt the divinity. They are not Christian.
Posted on 3/30/25 at 4:30 pm to N2cars
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If you don't belive,you don't believe. We're anonymous posters on a football board discussing your eternal salvation. That's very important, IMO. I'd be willing to meet in person to discuss it further, and id have scripture prepared for you. Or, if you know someone close to you that is in the faith, please talk with them.
I think the core problem that several posters on this thread have is being willing to state definitively that there are people who have a legitimate claim to “being a Christian” yet will still be denied salvation. Again, I’m not arguing which beliefs are necessary for salvation; I’m arguing what is necessary for someone to be able to legitimately claim that they are Christians. I don’t consider the two to be synonymous.
Posted on 3/30/25 at 4:31 pm to Joshjrn
They can both be Christian . Just different views on how to worship . Truly you only need to have faith in God and believe in Jesus and the Holy Spirit . Churches are run by humans and therefore not perfect but are a way of worship and coming together for the lord
Posted on 3/30/25 at 4:31 pm to Hateradedrink
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Nah. It’s completely appropriate. Mormons like to claim they are Christian, but they doubt the divinity. They are not Christian.
You just bolstered my argument.
Posted on 3/30/25 at 4:33 pm to Joshjrn
It results from a fundamental disagreement as to when one becomes a Christian.
Like you said, it’s “begging the question”, but it’s begging the question either way.
Attempting to assert principles of conventional logic to religion is a fools errand. This is not a courtroom.
Traditional Christian beliefs involve the acceptance of the trinity. If you do not accept the trinity, but believe Jesus exists and performed miracles, you’re something else. It’s that simple.
Like you said, it’s “begging the question”, but it’s begging the question either way.
Attempting to assert principles of conventional logic to religion is a fools errand. This is not a courtroom.
Traditional Christian beliefs involve the acceptance of the trinity. If you do not accept the trinity, but believe Jesus exists and performed miracles, you’re something else. It’s that simple.
Posted on 3/30/25 at 4:36 pm to Joshjrn
You don’t have an argument besides “I disagree”.
Posted on 3/30/25 at 4:37 pm to Hateradedrink
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Traditional Christian beliefs involve the acceptance of the trinity. If you do not accept the trinity, but believe Jesus exists and performed miracles, you’re something else. It’s that simple.
If one believes Jesus of Nazareth saved them from their sins and is the one and only path to salvation, but believe that the father, son, and Holy Spirit are simply facets of a singular god and reflects a human’s imperfect attempt at understanding the divine, what are they? Because if you say “something else”, I’m going to have a hard time taking you seriously.
Posted on 3/30/25 at 4:38 pm to Hateradedrink
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You don’t have an argument besides “I disagree”.
Untrue. I’ve stated my argument, in detail, multiple times. If you don’t like, or don’t understand, that argument, that’s a separate issue entirely.
Posted on 3/30/25 at 4:41 pm to Joshjrn
Well, you've lost me
I mean, anyone can claim anything, right?
We've got men claiming to be women, and me claiming I can get around that last corner at NOLA better than anyone.
Doesn't make it true...
If people claim to be Christian, but in their hearts, don't believe in the Holy Trinity, they won't see Salavation, as they are in fact, denying Jesus.
No matter how you ask the question ot ponder the answer, it all comes back to that.
But again, I would encourage you to speak to someone in person.
I mean, anyone can claim anything, right?
We've got men claiming to be women, and me claiming I can get around that last corner at NOLA better than anyone.
Doesn't make it true...
If people claim to be Christian, but in their hearts, don't believe in the Holy Trinity, they won't see Salavation, as they are in fact, denying Jesus.
No matter how you ask the question ot ponder the answer, it all comes back to that.
But again, I would encourage you to speak to someone in person.
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