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re: About to put my son in drug rehab. update page 20
Posted on 9/26/14 at 9:34 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 9/26/14 at 9:34 am to SlowFlowPro
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AA defines an alcoholic as a person who finds success or failure if he works the program.
And this is where I will leave the debate because you apparently have NO IDEA what AA is or how it works. My goodness where do you get all the info you've been spewing, websites?
**AA is anonymous at the level of press, film, and media, all types. Good day sir.
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Posted on 9/26/14 at 9:35 am to SlowFlowPro
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SlowFlowPro
Are you an addict/alcoholic? What do you believe as far as it being a hereditary gene or environmentally learned?
Posted on 9/26/14 at 9:35 am to MBclass83
Cenikor is the one that finally worked for a family member of mine. I believe it's somewhere near Ninfas. Good luck to you!
Posted on 9/26/14 at 9:36 am to pwejr88
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You say 12 step programs are pointless yet agree with treatment centers.
i said that "the program" has some initial benefits in reinforcing the belief that a person wants to break their pattern of behaviors
it provides an early outlet for a new social group and can help with the person feeling like they're the only frickup with these problems
the actual TREATMENT i do disagree with. AA doesn't treat people who need treatment. AA just requires abstinence and belief in a mythology that has been proven to not have statistical significance, which also creates a self fulfilling prophecy that (in addition to the underlying psychological issues are not treated), can lead to disastrous effects.
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Which treatment centers do you know of that don't apply any part of the 12 steps?
there are centers
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they are the minority, mainly due to the very system that has led to the AA monopoly on treatment
a lot of this is domination is via government (forced AA treatment through government mandate)
Posted on 9/26/14 at 9:37 am to reginaphilange
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Cenikor is the one that finally worked for a family member of mine. I believe it's somewhere near Ninfas. Good luck to you!
Great program and its free. Very difficult for the younger generation to complete though.
Posted on 9/26/14 at 9:37 am to tidalmouse
Edgefield Recovery Center in Cheneyville, La. In between Bunkie and Alexandria. Beautiful place. Was there for a 45 day treatment from April-May of this year, and it literally changed my life.
Posted on 9/26/14 at 9:38 am to redfieldk717
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why?
my dad is in "the program"
i had to go to those stupid children of alcoholics groups on occasion (and when i didn't go, i was blamed for almost relapses, lol)
hell i went to non-alcoholic getaways as a kid all the time. my dad's social group became his AA friends
my brother is also in "the program"
Posted on 9/26/14 at 9:38 am to SlowFlowPro
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they are the minority, mainly due to the very system that has led to the AA monopoly on treatment
there is a reason for this and it's not government
Posted on 9/26/14 at 9:39 am to redfieldk717
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there is no better option
i posted a study that stated that there is equal recovery rates amongst the programs tested. only 1 was AA
this "there is no option" stuff is mythology...a mythology that pushes the dominance of 12-step programs, killing competition to find a better way
Posted on 9/26/14 at 9:39 am to SlowFlowPro
so why do you go to AA meetings if you think it's a cult?
Posted on 9/26/14 at 9:39 am to adamb2151
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So someone out there has a better success rate for treating addiction?
non-treatment appears to be doing pretty well
go look at the stats on spontaneous recovery i posted earlier compared to AA success rates
Posted on 9/26/14 at 9:39 am to Caplewood
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It's because they try to force some Christian bullshite down peoples throat that just want to get clean
That just isn't true.Posted on 9/26/14 at 9:39 am to redfieldk717
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my dad is in "the program"
Lol, so why do you hate it so much? Sounds like it has helped your family.
Posted on 9/26/14 at 9:40 am to SlowFlowPro
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this "there is no option" stuff is mythology.
that is your opinion...tell us, what better option is there that has hard data to back it up?
Posted on 9/26/14 at 9:41 am to SlowFlowPro
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spontaneous recovery
Posted on 9/26/14 at 9:41 am to Tommy Wayne
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Are you an addict/alcoholic?
i have what would be described as an addictive personality. this does involve things like alcohol. but when i have issues with that, i acknowledge them and scale back.
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What do you believe as far as it being a hereditary gene or environmentally learned?
wouldn't shocked me due to personal/anecdotal experience, but i am completely biased on this front so my opinion is worthless
i think "addiction" is a combination of a bunch of things, and those things can be hereditary
Posted on 9/26/14 at 9:42 am to adamb2151
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non-treatment appears to be doing pretty well
Now I just think you are trolling.
Posted on 9/26/14 at 9:42 am to adamb2151
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so why do you hate it so much?
where did i say i hate it?
Posted on 9/26/14 at 9:42 am to adamb2151
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Now I just think you are trolling.
statistical evidence is not trolling
look at the stats
Posted on 9/26/14 at 9:43 am to Artie Rome
What part isn't true? They do push the Christian shite down your throat. You can't argue that
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