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re: About to put my son in drug rehab. update page 20
Posted on 9/26/14 at 9:23 am to Tommy Wayne
Posted on 9/26/14 at 9:23 am to Tommy Wayne
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I can agree to a certain extent. Being sober from substances for a long time, I needed a life adjustment. Palmetto gave me that. Yet, I dont practice the 12 step program anymore. After a period of time, it got too monotonousness for me. Same stories over and over. I left my hometown and found successful friends who didnt need substances to have a good time
and i have no problem with this
the cult of AA is what i have a problem with. hell, it's just replacing one set of pathological behavior/addiction for another
i mean obviously if you're 100% abstinent from drugs/alcohol, it's more ideal than if you're abusing them, so it appears that this is THE solution (because it is a better option). the issue is that if you have a problem that leads you to be an "addict", then you're not working towards solving that problem. and if you're not an "addict", then abstinence is pointless.
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Posted on 9/26/14 at 9:23 am to SlowFlowPro
You do know that most treatment centers are based on 12 step programs right?
Even if they don't label it as such, if you know the contents within those 12 steps they're all over every treatment center.
Even if they don't label it as such, if you know the contents within those 12 steps they're all over every treatment center.
Posted on 9/26/14 at 9:24 am to SlowFlowPro
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n a 2005 article in the journal Addiction, Deborah A. Dawson and her colleagues calculated a natural recovery rate for alcoholism of 24.4 percent -- that is, over the course of a year, 24.4 percent of the alcoholics studied simply wised up, got sick and tired of being sick and tired, and quit. Without treatment and without meetings.
then they are not alcoholics...
how did this test qualify people as alcoholics? what was the criteria? this is important..
Posted on 9/26/14 at 9:24 am to pwejr88
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You do know that most treatment centers are based on 12 step programs right?
yes, and that's a big reason why they are such specialists in failure at treating addiction
Posted on 9/26/14 at 9:26 am to SlowFlowPro
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the cult of AA is what i have a problem with. hell, it's just replacing one set of pathological behavior/addiction for another
lulz...keep googling and believing everything the internet tells you. you shouldn't comment on things that you know little to nothing about
Posted on 9/26/14 at 9:27 am to SlowFlowPro
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yes, and that's a big reason why they are such specialists in failure at treating addiction
what????
Posted on 9/26/14 at 9:27 am to SlowFlowPro
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yes, and that's a big reason why they are such specialists in failure at treating addiction
Lol, I wont even....
Posted on 9/26/14 at 9:27 am to SlowFlowPro
Yeah. I'm just going to have to go ahead and disagree with you on nearly all points.
But that's fine. You aren't an addict so it really doesn't matter. Carry on and have a great weekend.
But that's fine. You aren't an addict so it really doesn't matter. Carry on and have a great weekend.
Posted on 9/26/14 at 9:28 am to adamb2151
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ust made 6 years sober and life is 1000x better nowadays.
Posted on 9/26/14 at 9:28 am to redfieldk717
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then they are not alcoholics...
have you ever heard of a tautological definition?
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how did this test qualify people as alcoholics? what was the criteria?
how does AA?
AA will shift it's definition to exclude them in order to keep their self-fulfilling prophecies alive
AA defines an alcoholic as a person who finds success or failure if he works the program. any person who finds success or failure outside of the program is not an alcoholic. that's the tautology of AA
Posted on 9/26/14 at 9:28 am to SlowFlowPro
Well then go do some research on all these 'failed treatment centers' and come back with your same "12 step programs and AA" are setting up people for failure argument.
You say 12 step programs are pointless yet agree with treatment centers. Which treatment centers do you know of that don't apply any part of the 12 steps?
You say 12 step programs are pointless yet agree with treatment centers. Which treatment centers do you know of that don't apply any part of the 12 steps?
Posted on 9/26/14 at 9:29 am to SlowFlowPro
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i mean obviously if you're 100% abstinent from drugs/alcohol, it's more ideal than if you're abusing them, so it appears that this is THE solution (because it is a better option). the issue is that if you have a problem that leads you to be an "addict", then you're not working towards solving that problem. and if you're not an "addict", then abstinence is pointless.
You really don't understand how AA works and the point of the 12 steps.
Posted on 9/26/14 at 9:30 am to SlowFlowPro
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AA defines an alcoholic as a person who finds success or failure if he works the program.
False. AA defines an alcoholic as someone whose life is unmanageable due to alcohol.
Posted on 9/26/14 at 9:30 am to redfieldk717
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lulz...keep googling and believing everything the internet tells you. y
wut?
this was developed as the son of an "alcoholic". i've attended dozens of AA meetings, and have so for about 20 years
the internet gives me easy access to data. i actually have pre-internet sources for the data (but it's easier to cite via articles online)
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you shouldn't comment on things that you know little to nothing about
how old are you? i've been "part of the program" for approx 20 years
Posted on 9/26/14 at 9:31 am to SlowFlowPro
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AA will shift it's definition to exclude them in order to keep their self-fulfilling prophecies alive
no they won't because it's been the same since AA started 75 years ago
Posted on 9/26/14 at 9:31 am to redfieldk717
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what????
the success rate for 12 step programs is not good
Posted on 9/26/14 at 9:31 am to SlowFlowPro
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i've attended dozens of AA meetings, and have so for about 20 years
why?
Posted on 9/26/14 at 9:31 am to SlowFlowPro
It's because they try to force some Christian bullshite down peoples throat that just want to get clean
Posted on 9/26/14 at 9:33 am to SlowFlowPro
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the success rate for 12 step programs is not good
the success rate is not good for any program...it all depends on what you consider good
there is no better option
Posted on 9/26/14 at 9:33 am to Caplewood
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success rate for 12 step programs is not good
So someone out there has a better success rate for treating addiction?
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