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re: A transgender 9-year-old tells her story

Posted on 5/16/16 at 5:44 pm to
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 5/16/16 at 5:44 pm to


Shocking this would happen in Norway.
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 5/16/16 at 6:04 pm to
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I just don't understand how a 9 year old has any idea what this is.



because some adult encouraged it
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
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Posted on 5/16/16 at 6:40 pm to
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That's absurd... it's a great way to get a kid seriously injured.


Not so much at that age. Boys don't have a real physical advantage until puberty.
Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
Sparta, Greece
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 5/16/16 at 6:42 pm to
I'm tired of this weird shite being in the news. This isn't like being gay or straight ... this is a mental disorder.
Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 5/16/16 at 7:00 pm to
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This is just basic inductive logic.


Like the basic inductive logic proven true in biology and science since the dawn of time that male sex organs make one male and female sex organs make one female?


Posted by dallastigers
Member since Dec 2003
10981 posts
Posted on 5/16/16 at 7:18 pm to
Saddest part of this is many young kids (boys especially) were helped by therapy for this disorder with around 75% of boys realizing they were male and gay and most of the rest male and heterosexual, and these kids will no longer get help they deserve and instead be told they are opposite sex and be given hormones to suppress puberty.

LINK
This post was edited on 5/16/16 at 7:25 pm
Posted by Hog on the Hill
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Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 5/16/16 at 9:09 pm to
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Like the basic inductive logic proven true in biology and science since the dawn of time that male sex organs make one male and female sex organs make one female?
Well that's not even true in all cases. It's rare, but there biological disorders that muddle even basic rules like that.

But aside from those cases, what you've stated is not an example of inductive logic. You're showing your ignorance. What you said is more of a premise, tautology, or a definition.

Biological males, by definition, have male genitals. Biological females have female genitals. Again, barring edge cases.

But you're conveniently ignoring the aspect of gender, which refers to social/cultural behaviors, roles, and norms expected of biological males and females. Transgender people don't change their biological sex--they change their gender. They adopt the behaviors, roles, and norms that are expected for the gender that does not match their genitals.

These threads always end up going back to this, which suggests that we're not even having a discussion about the same thing. Most people in these threads refuse to acknowledge the distinction between sex and gender, which is inexplicable IMO.

edit: I guess your example could be considered inductive logic if stated like this:

Humans with XX chromosomes are female.
Humans with XY chromosomes are male.

In my observations, all females have vaginas, breasts, uteruses, ovaries, etc.
In my observations, all males have penises, testicles, prostates, etc.

Therefore, all females have vaginas, breasts, etc. Those organs are female organs. All males have penises, testicles, etc. Those organs are male organs.

^^^^ Your example would have to take this form to be an example of logical induction. But it would end up being wrong, because not all females have all the female sex organs, and not all males have all the male sex organs. The conclusions regarding which organs are male/female would be correct.

You could modify the conclusions a little more and say "all normally developed males have penises, testicles, etc." and that would be stronger, but that's anticipating the possibility that you might someday find a male who lacks one or all of those organs.

Welp there's some logic 101 for you. If I'm lucky, five people will read this, so I probably wasted my time.
This post was edited on 5/16/16 at 9:17 pm
Posted by Carville
Sunshine, LA
Member since Jun 2014
5321 posts
Posted on 5/16/16 at 9:16 pm to
if this keeps going, assholish sports parents will be pushing sons to say they identify as a female to get athletic scholarships in women's sports...
What ever will the Title IXers do? Feminists' and lesbians' heads will explode.
This post was edited on 5/16/16 at 9:18 pm
Posted by Hog on the Hill
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Posted on 5/16/16 at 9:19 pm to
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if this keeps going, parents will be pushing sons to say they identify as a female to get athletic scholarships in women's sports...
What ever will the Title IXers do? Feminists' and lesbians' heads will explode.
Oh good grief
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 5/16/16 at 9:24 pm to
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Anecdotes cannot be used to prove a generalization, but they can be used to disprove a generalization. This is just basic inductive logic.


Lol no. Anecdotes cannot disprove generalizations because generalizations are generally true, not universally true.

As a rule, I form my opinions based on generalizations, if that makes the few exceptions to the rule feel disenfranchised or treated unfairly than too bad, life's not fair and I don't really give a shite about you in the first place.
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