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re: 86 years ago today: "We have been defeated..."
Posted on 5/16/26 at 2:52 am to TheArrogantCorndog
Posted on 5/16/26 at 2:52 am to TheArrogantCorndog
Looks like no gin, I think that challenge is possible.
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Posted on 5/16/26 at 3:35 am to WWII Collector
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Well we know the French are basically cowards so no surprise.
This trope only took hold because they correctly refused to participate in our misadventures in Iraq. For a while they were the butt of jokes until they were proven right. Now we're hearing v2.0 because they're once again sitting out the Iran clusterfrick. Meanwhile France has been fighting terrorism all this time in shitholes most Americans have never heard of.
Posted on 5/16/26 at 6:06 am to Jim Rockford
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Meanwhile France has been fighting terrorism all this time in shitholes most Americans have never heard of.
I've heard of Paris, you dolt.
Posted on 5/16/26 at 6:38 am to Jim Rockford
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This trope only took hold because they correctly refused to participate in our misadventures in Iraq
The cheese eating surrender monkey meme came from the Simpsons in 1995.
It's a combination of them needing US reinforcement in both World Wars and de Gaulle's ungrateful and dickish attitude that made it take hold.
Posted on 5/16/26 at 6:43 am to Chrome
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Consider that the Germans were riding on meth from at the start of their campaign. Supplied by their own beloved fatherland. The French depended too much on barriers. War is always dynamic, moving, and changing.
The Germans taking France had nothing to with meth. Idiots like you will believe any propaganda fed to them. All the countries involved were experimenting with drugs to make soldiers more aggressive.
Posted on 5/16/26 at 6:55 am to Sofaking2
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Well we know the French are basically cowards so no surprise.
This is a lot of fun to ridicule the French, but it has no basis in reality. The French were attacked by all of Europe after their republican revolution in the late 18th and early 19th century. They fought, single-handedly, against all of the European powers at the same time, and the French beat them. They beat them by marching massed columns of men into the teeth of infantry and canon fire to the drums beating the Pas de Charge. This was not the work of cowards.
In the early 20th century they fought the brutal WW1. French casualties were 6 million dead or wounded. That was 71% of French mobilized forces. Cowards?
In WW2 they were famously outfoxed by a technologically advanced German army. Once the Germans crushed the French (and British) armies, they were in amongst an undefended population, which had no choice but to surrender. Note that the German population surrendered once their military was defeated. So did the Japanese and every other population ever confronted by such a choice.
Tl;dr - The French are no more cowards than we are.
Posted on 5/16/26 at 7:07 am to Jim Rockford
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This trope only took hold because they correctly refused to participate in our misadventures in Iraq
Who can forget the great uprising against French fries. Freedom fries for all!
Posted on 5/16/26 at 7:10 am to Violent Hip Swivel
Churchill found out about Pearl Harbor while listening to the BBC evening news
---Years later one of his assistants said Churchill got up and danced a little jig around the room because it meant the US would now be in the war.
---Years later one of his assistants said Churchill got up and danced a little jig around the room because it meant the US would now be in the war.
Posted on 5/16/26 at 7:34 am to Penrod
This is only anecdotal, but of the 15-20 Frenchman (and women) that I have known over the last 40 years or so, they are the most patriotic,
tough and stubborn people that I have ever met. Some in the military and some civilians.
tough and stubborn people that I have ever met. Some in the military and some civilians.
Posted on 5/16/26 at 9:45 am to RollTide1987
I would maintain that the French fighting force even today is pretty formidable for what it is asked to do. Even after WWII. In Vietnam the French with the exception of Dienbienphu performed quite well. Dienbienphu was a foul up of epic proportions....placing your assets in a Valley exposed is malpractice and relying on airpower stationed 200 miles away is asking for trouble in 1954.
But in Algeria, the French had the war won by late 1960 they had decimated the National Front and they had almost totally neutered the leadership. We don't know a lot in this country about it other than to say they lost, but it was a victory for the French on the battlefield and could have translated politically if DeGaulle had not sold them out after being elected.
The French paratroopers were very effective. Even today if you get into a fight with them and the FFL, you might wish you had not. They are well trained and have always been well trained.
In WWII they got blitzed at their weakest spot.
But in Algeria, the French had the war won by late 1960 they had decimated the National Front and they had almost totally neutered the leadership. We don't know a lot in this country about it other than to say they lost, but it was a victory for the French on the battlefield and could have translated politically if DeGaulle had not sold them out after being elected.
The French paratroopers were very effective. Even today if you get into a fight with them and the FFL, you might wish you had not. They are well trained and have always been well trained.
In WWII they got blitzed at their weakest spot.
Posted on 5/16/26 at 10:35 am to cattus
I have to know, what's Dunhills, and Halcyon?
Posted on 5/16/26 at 10:58 am to South21
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The Germans taking France had nothing to with meth. Idiots like you will believe any propaganda fed to them. All the countries involved were experimenting with drugs to make soldiers more aggressive.
Meth used by the Germans during the offensive enabled them to go days without sleep, which contributed to their speed using the Von Schlieffen plan from WW1 to go around French barriers.
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