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re: 80 Years Ago Today: Operation Barbarossa
Posted on 6/22/21 at 3:51 pm to TutHillTiger
Posted on 6/22/21 at 3:51 pm to TutHillTiger
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Hitlers biggest blunder, the two front war
japs fricked him by not opening up a second front and tying up the Siberian reserves. Also should have bypassed Stalingrad.
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Posted on 6/22/21 at 4:40 pm to red sox fan 13
The western USSR people were happy to see the Germans initially b/c they hated their leadership until the Germans got ahold of them.
Posted on 6/22/21 at 9:29 pm to Rex Feral
Hitler didn't have to wipe out the Brits at Dunkirk. He had essentially defeated them, the Battle of Britain and the campaign in the North Atlantic was a waste of time.
Those assets should have been used against the Soviets. North Africa was even a waste of his time. Once France and Britain had been beaten on the continent, everything should have been used in Barbarossa.
Those assets should have been used against the Soviets. North Africa was even a waste of his time. Once France and Britain had been beaten on the continent, everything should have been used in Barbarossa.
Posted on 6/22/21 at 9:59 pm to red sox fan 13
The eastern front is one of the most interesting theaters to learn about IMO
Posted on 6/22/21 at 10:24 pm to Mstate
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In an alternate history scenario I’ve always wondered what would have happened had the US not entered the war. I know it was obviously inevitable but without US lend lease supplies and the Japanese having the pacific under wraps could Russia have been conquered by the Japanese and Germans? Would operation sea lion been successful? Who knows but it’s fun to think about
War between Japan and US was inevitable... there’s a possible scenario where Germany doesn’t declare war following Pearl Harbor and the US concentrates on the pacific. From there, who knows... the Soviets had already turned the tide at Stalingrad before the western allied invasion of Normandy.
It’s pretty remarkable to think about had there not been a Germany-first policy... or the US decides to concentrate on Japan.... how different would the world look today?
This post was edited on 6/22/21 at 10:25 pm
Posted on 6/22/21 at 10:33 pm to red sox fan 13
I don’t think an oil supply line from the Balkans would’ve ever been viable.
Posted on 6/22/21 at 10:55 pm to Flashback
I read the memoirs of a British agent who worked in German occupied Poland right as the war was ending. He said the Poles acted the Germans, but they were deathly afraid of the Soviets.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 8:16 am to antibarner
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Hitler didn't have to wipe out the Brits at Dunkirk. He had essentially defeated them, the Battle of Britain and the campaign in the North Atlantic was a waste of time.
There's no better way to demoralize your enemy than to wipe out their army. It would have taken little to accomplish that which would have taken the Brits out for all intents and purposes.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 8:20 am to TutHillTiger
quote:Had Peej been alive to advise der Fuhrer, Germany would have also tried to invade Japan and Antarctica in 1941.
Hitlers biggest blunder, the two front war
Posted on 6/23/21 at 10:56 am to Alltheway Tigers!
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And if Germany coordinated with the Japanese with a joint attack.
After the debacle in the Battles of Khalkhin in 1939, the Japanese wanted no part of a war with the Soviet Union.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 11:49 am to red sox fan 13
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Soviets would have relocated to Kuybyshev deeper into the Soviet Union, probably would hit back with Siberian troops as they did in our timeline. German supply lines were far too overextended as far as they got in our timeline.
A few issues - Moscow was the main rail hub - taking that away would severely restrict movement of resources, arms, and people by the Soviet Union. Germans also likely would have the caucus oil supply in such a situation. Soviet Union would have been hard pressed to generate a huge offensive. The Germans would have been taxed with defending a significant front for years though.
It would have been interesting if USSR agent Sorgei in Japan hadn't been able to convince Stalin that Japan wouldn't attack the USSR, thus freeing up eastern soviet troops to move and defend Moscow at a very pivotal time.
Before the full winter, the rains, mud, and lack of real roads hampered the Germans. If any of these are just slightly lesser or happen at different times, it may have turned out much different.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 12:50 pm to TutHillTiger
Hitler was an idiot. The Adrennes Offensive was their last little spasm. It was based on a short time event (the weather) with no real way to supply any of his armor. Hell,their best panzer unit burned their shite way inside the American lines and walked back.
This offensive also took away a ton of resources from the East. They lose the offensive and then can't even hold the Russians off.
This offensive also took away a ton of resources from the East. They lose the offensive and then can't even hold the Russians off.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 4:15 pm to IAmNERD
Pretty sure the fuel tanks which really did help shorten the Pacific War were planned to be bombed in the 3rd wave. Fortunately for the US that wave was called off.
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