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re: 65% of teachers are ‘uncomfortable’ with returning to school, survey from AEA says
Posted on 7/29/20 at 11:52 am to Centinel
Posted on 7/29/20 at 11:52 am to Centinel
Incorrect, we've seen students who excel in that format. Is it harder like I said, yes, but does it have success, yes. Could everyone do it and have it he same success? No
Which is an issue with public schools we look at ACT scores and you notice home school kids do better. The reason isn't because they are smarter, but because they want to learn where as public schools force every student to take the ACT.
My biggest complaint when comparing America kids worldwide, we force kids to take certain test where as other countries take those kids they feel won't do well and push them towards a blue collar type job. We promote every kid should go to college which is just laughable.
Which is an issue with public schools we look at ACT scores and you notice home school kids do better. The reason isn't because they are smarter, but because they want to learn where as public schools force every student to take the ACT.
My biggest complaint when comparing America kids worldwide, we force kids to take certain test where as other countries take those kids they feel won't do well and push them towards a blue collar type job. We promote every kid should go to college which is just laughable.
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Posted on 7/29/20 at 11:54 am to tduecen
quote:Link?
we look at ACT scores and you notice home school kids do better
Posted on 7/29/20 at 11:55 am to tduecen
You’ve got it right. There’s no fixing education in this country, too many obstacles, and that’s a huge one.
Every time I talk to someone from the UK about how they do it, it just makes so much damn sense.
Every time I talk to someone from the UK about how they do it, it just makes so much damn sense.
Posted on 7/29/20 at 11:56 am to tduecen
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Incorrect, we've seen students who excel in that format. Is it harder like I said, yes, but does it have success, yes.
I never said it didn't.
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Could everyone do it and have it he same success? No
Which is my point. I see no issue giving parents a choice to have their children participate online for the ones who are able to do it successfully. But there is a large group of children who simply don't have the parental ability (or care) to make sure they are successful with online learning.
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My biggest complaint when comparing America kids worldwide, we force kids to take certain test where as other countries take those kids they feel won't do well and push them towards a blue collar type job. We promote every kid should go to college which is just laughable.
No argument from me here. The way we shite on blue collar jobs in this country is disgusting.
Posted on 7/29/20 at 11:56 am to RealityTiger
Got an email I'll send you the data but home school students score on average 2.2 points better
Posted on 7/29/20 at 11:58 am to Centinel
quote:also a large group who do not value education and see school as simply a baby sitter. This thread is a prime example of that. Now online or in class you are not really helping those students because when they get home they have no help. The students who succeed in this area want to learn and would be just as successful online.
Which is my point. I see no issue giving parents a choice to have their children participate online for the ones who are able to do it successfully. But there is a large group of children who simply don't have the parental ability (or care) to make sure they are successful with online learning.
Posted on 7/29/20 at 12:01 pm to tduecen
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Got an email I'll send you the data but home school students score on average 2.2 points better
The one issue I’ve seen with homeschooling that does give me pause are the kids whose parents don’t actually follow through. I have taught kids who have “homeschooled” for several years, only to re-enroll with a huge knowledge deficit. Technically they’re in public, but I’m not sure if that time at home would factor into data like that.
Posted on 7/29/20 at 12:02 pm to tduecen
No thanks. It's not that big of a deal. But I don't believe this statement:
Maybe in a particular set of kids that was proven, but not as a blanket statement to be used as a foregone conclusion.
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home school students score on average 2.2 points better
Maybe in a particular set of kids that was proven, but not as a blanket statement to be used as a foregone conclusion.
Posted on 7/29/20 at 12:03 pm to RealityTiger
I mean I'm offering to send you the data to back up the statement and you are still saying you don't believe it. It is a .PDF file so I can't link it
Posted on 7/29/20 at 12:06 pm to Jesterea
I mean people will believe what they want but overall the data suggest home schooling is more effective and produces better scores
Posted on 7/29/20 at 12:12 pm to tduecen
quote:Nobody in this thread is a "prime example" of that.
This thread is a prime example of that. Now online or in class you are not really helping those students because when they get home they have no help
I can't speak for anybody else, but me and my family. But I'll invite you to my home on a typical school night and I'll even fix you a plate of dinner. You can observe what goes on in my house. Me and my wife sit down with each of our children and go over homework, help study for tests, etc. But because we work, we need the kids to have already spent the day going over stuff in a classroom with the teacher. So by the time we get to them, it's review of what they've already gone over. We don't have the time to sit down and teach them. Now if it's math and they are struggling, then yeah. But not sitting down and explaining fractions to my son for the very first time he's ever seen a fraction. I need the teacher to do that during the day. Then, I can go over it with him. And maybe reinforce what he's already gone over in class, maybe give him some other way to look at it that helped me, etc.
I really don't think that's what you would call "a baby sitter". Since when is going to school considered "baby sitting"?
Posted on 7/29/20 at 12:13 pm to East Coast Band
That number probably holds true with no COVID.
Posted on 7/29/20 at 12:14 pm to tduecen
If it is such an obvious thing, there would links anywhere on that one could easily back that remark up with.
Not just one particular study. Not one set of data. That doesn't prove anything.
Not just one particular study. Not one set of data. That doesn't prove anything.
Posted on 7/29/20 at 12:16 pm to tduecen
I mean, I wasn’t saying the data is inaccurate, or that your making shite up, I was just considering other factors. Homeschooling is not exactly something I’ve looked into thoroughly. Haven’t exactly seen the numbers myself.
Posted on 7/29/20 at 12:18 pm to tduecen
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also a large group who do not value education and see school as simply a baby sitter. This thread is a prime example of that.
Wut?
Posted on 7/29/20 at 12:19 pm to RealityTiger
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I really don't think that's what you would call "a baby sitter". Since when is going to school considered "baby sitting"?
When the teachers post that meme about how underpaid they are is the only time I can think of.
Posted on 7/29/20 at 12:20 pm to RealityTiger
It's a perfect example of that
Posted on 7/29/20 at 12:21 pm to RealityTiger
I'm sorry go to Google then, I was going to link a student from a reputable school with thousands of people involved
Posted on 7/29/20 at 12:21 pm to tduecen
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I mean people will believe what they want but overall the data suggest home schooling is more effective and produces better scores
That also isn't really an apples to apples comparison since the only people that were homeschooling for that data were people that wanted to do it and had the time and effort to put into it. I'd imagine the cores would be much closer to equal if you only compared those students to in-school students whose parents give a shite about their schooling.
Posted on 7/29/20 at 12:22 pm to Jesterea
This has been an argument on here for years so I've done the research
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