re: 48 more bikers indicted in deadly shootout at Waco, Texas, Twin Peaks

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Jones---No ball peen hammers pssssh

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Sabi---Lol bc we know where to hide them ;)

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Darth---Having a weapon in you does not constitute a crime.

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Sabi, Darth tell the truth....Ya'll Keistering?

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Sabi and Darth's silence tells me one thing.....they keister!

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Wouldn't surprise me especially since Darths MC runs bitch to the Bandidos.

Darth they are going to keep trolling you as long as you bite.

Unfortunately the majority of Harley owners are tools so when things like the Waco incident happens people come out of the woodwork to bash bikers.

The Cossacks are the primary ones in all the videos and they are mostly fat hillbillies who brought guns to what at worst should have been an old fashioned fist fight. They represent the worst of bikers and that's the image that causes the ridicule. If most of the people on this board could interact with the guys who truly love bikes, the freedom of the road, and the camraderie that comes with that life they would have a very different take. Unfortunately though they probably base their opinions of "bikers" by the idiots that buy the SOA starter kit and ride around needlessly revving their engines and trying to look hard and groups like the Iron Order and Cossacks.

As for Waco - the PD / DA grossly overreacted and a large part of that was driven by the fact that they were largely responsible - first by having CI's in the Cossacks and stoking confrontations and then for shooting most of the nine that died. If you watch the initial press conference where they tried to blame Twin Peaks and said it started in the restaurant it reeks of desperation by a party that knew they screwed up. If they had done their job as professionals they would have just had a regular PC with the facts and said more will be released later. Instead they went on a full scale information war to lay blame on Twin Peaks and anyone within the vicinity.

Keep the shiny side up. Peace.

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TejasPete

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This guy gets it. Long may you ride.

More fat neck beard bikers off the streets!

Good job

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Just pointing out....that you yet to deny having a ball peen hammer up your arse

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For the record, I do not now, nor have I ever, had any type of hammer inserted in any orifice on my person.

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Darth, how would you advise a smallish, rather understaffed county LE/criminal justice apparatus if they came to you as a subject matter expert seeking advice on how to deal with a hypothetical large and well organized MC whose members are involved in most of the drug trafficking in your county?

Or maybe these large and complex LE issues are best addressed at state level? That way some smallish county DA would not be out there on his own dealing with a large MC that some would say is pretty close to being a criminal enterprise?

Maybe State LE should take charge so that we can ensure more fairness and professionalism? IMHO, this is what the public desires: they want the criminal bikers off of the streets but they don't want sloppy, overbearing and stupid methods to get the job done. The public wants it all: they want the criminal bikers to be in jail but the non criminal ones to enjoy our American Freedom.

Very tough LE problem. What's the best way to address the problem in your opinion, Darth?

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Here's the problem. Let's say you've got a club that's based in your town. Let's say that club has like 10 - 20 guys. In that club you've got 1 or 2, maybe even 3 guys who are mixed in on dealing or moving drugs. The problem though his according to LE, every guy in that club is now part of a "organized criminal enterprise". Does not matter that they don't know anything about the drug dealing of those 2 or 3 guys. Does not even matter if those 2 or 3 even hide their drug dealing from the other members of their club and keeps their drug stuff away from anything to with the club. The cops are still going to try and take them all down for it.

Imagine being a member of a gym. One guy in this gym is involved in criminal activity. Now imagine the cops go after every member of that gym as being part of "organized crime". Same concept.

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Yes, I get it, Darth, but how would you advise LE to proceed in a more balanced fashion that doesn't paint with a huge unfair broad brush?

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1. Prosecute those where there's evidence of wrongdoing.

2. Just being in a MC is not proof of wrong doing, even if someone else in that club does it.

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2. Just being in a MC is not proof of wrong doing, even if someone else in that club does it.

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How about being in a MC while carrying a weapon to a public place where you know violence is about to erupt at any time? And yes!, they fricking knew it was going down. Quit with the "some of them didn't know" crap.

Your continuous denial of the facts is becoming a joke. You deny actual video showing the biker's entering the restaurant and shooting with no regard for the safety of innocent people.

Just stop it

In fact in a town with limited law enforcement and judicial resources like Waco, you'd think the DA would want to focus his efforts on those that are actually prosecutable. Bring the heat on the actual criminals instead of spreading yourself thin trying to charge and process a couple hundred people who had nothing to do with the fight.