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re: 41% of college students believe hate speech should NOT be protected by the constitution

Posted on 6/1/19 at 8:29 am to
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
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Posted on 6/1/19 at 8:29 am to
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Conservatives are criminalizing peaceful protesting y


Tell us about this
Posted by DeafJam73
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Posted on 6/1/19 at 8:31 am to
Shocking. Hate speech absolutely has to be protected. Offense is taken, not given. What you may find offensive, I might not. It’s a very individualistic thing. If you start trying to outlaw hate speech, you will have to be very specific. It’s a slippery slope. Next thing you know, any kind of controversial speech about anything or anyone could be labeled hate speech. Even these “Nazis” have that right to free speech. They might be foul pieces of shite, but even they need to be protected. There is a law, however, that says if your speech directly influences harmful acts, you can face criminal charges. That’s fine. But you can’t outlaw certain types of speech.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 6/1/19 at 1:00 pm to
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Tell us about this


This law allows the government to charge protesters with trespassing, even when they have permission from the landowner to protest there

LINK

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THIS WEEK, THE Louisiana House of Representatives introduced new legislation aimed at criminalizing the activities of groups protesting the extraction, burning, and transport of oil and gas. The bill is similar to a model created by the right-wing American Legislative Exchange Council. Indeed, in the wake of the massive protest movement at Standing Rock, which attempted to prevent completion of the Dakota Access pipeline, at least seven states have introduced or passed “critical infrastructure” legislation.


Also

LINK

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Last March, the NLG shared an overview and analysis of the wave of anti-protest legislation sweeping state legislatures across the country. At the time, we were looking at 25 bills proposed in 19 states—all focused on limiting the right to protest or removing liability for harm caused to protesters. One year later, the number of anti-protest bills has reached 58 in 31 states with no end in sight. Nine bills have already been introduced (or-reintroduced) in 2018 alone. Conservative think tanks, private companies, and law enforcement agencies are now openly working with Republican lawmakers to crack down on dissent, chill the right to protest, and increase penalties for demonstrators and the organizations that support them


I’m sure you’ve equivocate on all this as conservatives don’t really care about protecting the first amendment, they care about their political sports team and nothing more.
This post was edited on 6/1/19 at 1:01 pm
Posted by cajunlsu
Monument, CO
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 6/1/19 at 2:26 pm to
Bunch of damn snowflakes...
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 6/1/19 at 5:05 pm to
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biglego


Anxiously awaiting your response
Posted by DeafJam73
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 6/1/19 at 5:10 pm to
The problem with these “protests” is that they turn ugly. Sometimes by happenstance and sometimes it was never planned to be peaceful. You can protest, but you can’t inhibit legal happenings. That is why all those bills have passed. Yes, I’m sure some coporate big wig managed to get some some things thrown in there to protect his pockets, but Democrats and “liberals” do the same shite.
Posted by LSU fan 246
Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 6/1/19 at 5:27 pm to
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THIS WEEK, THE Louisiana House of Representatives introduced new legislation aimed at criminalizing the activities of groups protesting the extraction, burning, and transport of oil and gas


Oh you mean the people trying to protest on the BR I10 bridge and the Sunshine Bridge.

Yea that shouldn't be legal
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 6/1/19 at 5:29 pm to
The bill allows the government to charge you with criminal trespass even when you have permission of he landowner to be there
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 6/1/19 at 5:29 pm to
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but Democrats and “liberals” do the same shite.



Deflect deflect deflect
Posted by fallguy_1978
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Member since Feb 2018
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Posted on 6/1/19 at 5:31 pm to
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Oh you mean the people trying to protest on the BR I10 bridge and the Sunshine Bridge. 

Yea that shouldn't be legal

We should let them do it at their own risk and not charge anyone that hits them. There are thousands of products made from oil that I guarantee you every one of those idiots uses on a daily basis
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
76536 posts
Posted on 6/1/19 at 5:39 pm to
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The bill allows the government to charge you with criminal trespass even when you have permission of he landowner to be there
Where are you reading that?

Scruffy doesn’t see that in the article about LA’s legislation.

Scruffy disagrees with the legislation being built on a “conspiracy to protest”, rather than the act itself.

Not a fan of laws directed at punishing acts like this that haven’t happened yet.

Also:

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In Louisiana, the majority of members of the House — 64 out of 105 — have signed on as sponsors of the critical infrastructure bill. Its primary sponsor, Major Thibault of Pointe Coupee Parish, is a Democrat, as are eight co-sponsors.
The primary sponsor of LA’s Bill is a Democrat.

Posted by LSU fan 246
Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 6/1/19 at 5:40 pm to
That's not in the article

This is though

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In Louisiana, the majority of members of the House — 64 out of 105 — have signed on as sponsors of the critical infrastructure bill. Its primary sponsor, Major Thibault of Pointe Coupee Parish, is a Democrat, as are eight co-sponsors
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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87983 posts
Posted on 6/1/19 at 6:04 pm to
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Oh you mean the people trying to protest on the BR I10 bridge and the Sunshine Bridge.

Yea that shouldn't be legal


So as long as you agree with the aim of the project, the protest shouldn’t be legal?
This post was edited on 6/1/19 at 6:05 pm
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 6/1/19 at 6:08 pm to
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do it at their own risk and not charge anyone that hits them.


So you want to make manslaughter legal as long as you’re against the protest in question?
This post was edited on 6/1/19 at 6:09 pm
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 6/1/19 at 6:09 pm to
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Scruffy


Read this article in full:

LINK
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 6/1/19 at 6:13 pm to
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So you want to make manslaughter legal as long as you’re against the protest in question?


So you're advocating protesters have the right to keep me from traveling to where I wish on a public highway?

Posted by LSU fan 246
Member since Oct 2005
90567 posts
Posted on 6/1/19 at 6:17 pm to
No. You shouldn't be able to protest on a major interstate's bridge disrupting traffic and commerce

Why you don't get this I have no idea. Oh wait, I do
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 6/1/19 at 6:19 pm to
If the protest is related to the area the street is on then yes

If not then no
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
44176 posts
Posted on 6/1/19 at 6:19 pm to
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If the protest is related to the area the street is on then yes



Why are the protester's rights more important than mine?
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 6/1/19 at 6:25 pm to
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Why are the protester's rights more important than mine?



Street paid for with public funds therefore freedom of speech (protest) must be respected. Reasonable place and time restrictions mean the place must be applicable to the protest. Even if it’s deemed that it isn’t you can detain and release without charging with a crime.

And being allowed to run said protesters over is obviously completely ridiculous
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