re: 20 year old sex abuse victim in Holland euthanized

"In the absence of faith, we govern by tenderness. And tenderness leads to the gas chamber."

-Flannery O'Connor

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Not much different than a cancer patient refusing chemo or a Non resuscitation order

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Wrong. There is a huge difference in refusing treatment/having a DNR order and having a doctor kill you because you are clinically depressed/have PTSD

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Sadly many here can't see this. Now I see why socialism is so popular with this younger generation. They've been indoctrinated all their lives to the point they've become statists and they don't even realize it.

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Uh... you people do realize that it's independent doctors and consultants evaluating patients and carrying out these people's decisions, and not the Dutch government, right? Sure, they created the law, but it isn't government officials out there making the decisions at the patient's bedside.

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I've never heard of down syndrome as being unbearable.

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To be honest, I've never heard of PTSD being unbearable, and yet they deemed that a reason to euthanize. It starts making you wonder, what can be deemed "unbearable"?

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You're mixing up two different cases and laws here.

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Which 2 laws?

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This is done when people are NOT competent and have expressed a desire to harm themselves or someone else.

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Interesting because the desire to harm oneself is ofter a reason for a person to be involuntarily placed in a mental institution and give treatment even if they say they do not want it, i.e. incompetent.

Now, hey I'm depressed and want to die, doc come administer my lethal injection.

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To be honest, I've never heard of PTSD being unbearable, and yet they deemed that a reason to euthanize. It starts making you wonder, what can be deemed "unbearable"?

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It said she also suffered severe anorexia, had hallucinations, and was bedridden...she didn't just have PTSD. She was a 20+ year old adult, it's not our place to tell her whether she has to live or die.

That's different than the down syndrome thing...that was when Darth brought up killing babies legally because they were suffering from an unbearable disease.

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Now, hey I'm depressed and want to die, doc come administer my lethal injection.

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I'm sure they would make the person go through multiple medications, counseling, etc. prior to injection. This poor girl suffered for 15 years.

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Uh... you people do realize that it's independent doctors and consultants evaluating patients and carrying out these people's decisions, and not the Dutch government, right? Sure, they created the law, but it isn't government officials out there making the decisions at the patient's bedside.

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You miss the whole point. Let me go back in time a bit. Ever heard of such a thing as the Declaration of Independence? This document is the cornerstone of what until recently has been our thinking when it comes to government. This document starts with these words....

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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed, by their Creator, with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness

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Do you understand what this statement means? It means that there are rights every person has that come from not government but God. And the fact that there rights come from God and not government means these right cannot be taken away by government. Now among those rights is the word "Life". This means that a person's right to live comes not from government but God. The only way you can give up that right to life to the government is if you violate a law this government deems worthy of death. Short of that, government cannot take this right from you.

So why is this important? Well, if the right to life came from government and not God, that means the government who gave you that right can also take it away. What's going on in Europe is these governments taking on the power of life and death outside of criminal law. This is the government saying, we can pass laws that allow for the killing of people who have not committed any crime. Once a government has this power, it can pass any law governing the right to life and death for any reason it sees fit. This gives that government the power of life and death not just over criminals under their authority, but all people living under their authority.

And yes, I realize this is going on in Europe and not the U.S. But after reading this thread, it seems, there is plenty of support for such a power being given to our own government here. It really saddens and worries me for the future of our republic that so many now are willing to just throw away what from the inception of this great country had been one of our most fundamental rights. The cancer of progressivism has just about reached terminal levels.

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and was bedridden...

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To be fair, you left out the "almost" part on this one.

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She was a 20+ year old adult, it's not our place to tell her whether she has to live or die.

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Who said it was? I know I didn't. And from what I'm reading, people are not arguing this one bit. They're arguing whether or not the state should be involved and facilitate. Anyone and everyone is entitled to commit suicide. Has anyone actually argued she can't commit suicide? Maybe so, I've been in and out while working.

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That's different than the down syndrome thing...that was when Darth brought up killing babies legally because they were suffering from an unbearable disease.

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It's a difficult deal. I can see both sides. My only point was that it does worry me when people start deciding what is "unbearable" for others, and those others have no say so. It makes me nervous to think that a society would speak for those that can't really speak for themselves.

But I agree with you, I don't think the government is killing babies for shits and giggles.