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1938 cartoons about Nazis and Hitler
Posted on 7/19/15 at 11:03 am
Posted on 7/19/15 at 11:03 am
These two are from local papers.
This one was from June or July of 1938 as that is the reel I discovered it on. The date was written on the back of the copy but I don't have it in front of me. Just a little bit premature is this cartoon as we all know what happened to Czechoslovakia down the road.

This one was from June or July of 1938 as that is the reel I discovered it on. The date was written on the back of the copy but I don't have it in front of me. Just a little bit premature is this cartoon as we all know what happened to Czechoslovakia down the road.

Posted on 7/19/15 at 11:29 am to prplhze2000
This is from an actual Disney cartoon.
Posted on 7/19/15 at 11:31 am to prplhze2000
In Germany the dates given for the Second World War are always 1938-1945, not our American custom of '39-'45. For them the Anschluss and the annexation of Sudenten are technically the beginning.
Peace in our time. Poor old Chamberlain.
Thanks for sharing this stuff, it's interesting to me.
History Board?.....
Peace in our time. Poor old Chamberlain.
Thanks for sharing this stuff, it's interesting to me.
History Board?.....
This post was edited on 7/19/15 at 11:32 am
Posted on 7/19/15 at 11:33 am to soccerfüt
While going through the 1938 pages of the Jackson Daily News yesterday, I kept coming across the headlines about how the Jews were being treated so yes, we had a good idea of what was being done to them although we didn't know they were butchering all of them.
Posted on 7/19/15 at 11:42 am to prplhze2000
Kristallnacht was late '38, we knew bad things were happening in Gemany but there was (from a scale standpoint) much worse things going on in Soviet Russia at the moment than Germany. That doesn't make our behavior acceptable or appropriate but in light of the strong isolationist sentiment present in the U.S. then, it makes it understandable.
Posted on 7/19/15 at 11:45 am to prplhze2000
He was Time Magazines man of the year in 1938!
This post was edited on 7/19/15 at 11:45 am
Posted on 7/19/15 at 11:45 am to soccerfüt
Yes but Stalin and Lenin had that country in a grip for twenty years. Plenty of time to nail down the press and bring down the iron curtain.
Posted on 7/19/15 at 12:54 pm to soccerfüt
Its supposed to be about the person who affected events the most, not the most liked.
Posted on 7/19/15 at 2:19 pm to soccerfüt
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That doesn't make our behavior acceptable or appropriate but in light of the strong isolationist sentiment present in the U.S. then, it makes it understandable.
What behavior of ours in that time period are you implying was not acceptable or appropriate?
Posted on 7/19/15 at 2:34 pm to prplhze2000
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Its supposed to be about the person who affected events the most, not the most liked.
Ya, they didn't start pussying out about that until more recently.
Osama bin Laden being the most glaring avoidance.
Posted on 7/19/15 at 2:37 pm to ChewyDante
Possibly aiding and abetting more proactive ways to assist ethnic refugees in their escape from the Reich. I fully understand that formal governmental sanctions or the like by other governments to Germany would not have meant anything to Herr Hitler.
The Nazis were ethnic-cleansers before the term existed. They wouldn't have cared where the refugees went as long as they were gone from German territory. We could have done more in this regard.
We couldn't have seen that global war was a certainty in 1938 so today second-guessing our behavior and policies then is Monday Morning QBing. This is further complicated by how strong the isolationist movement was in the U.S. between the World Wars.
We certainly were not complicit in the Holocaust but we could have done more to minimize the overall suffering.
Soviet Russia in the '20s & '30s was a different animal. The borders were effectively closed, culturally there was much more distance between them than German Jews to the U.S. Pre-war the Nazis would let any monied German of Jewish descent leave Germany if they were willing to pay for the privilege.
tl/dr: probably not much the U.S. could have done differently
The Nazis were ethnic-cleansers before the term existed. They wouldn't have cared where the refugees went as long as they were gone from German territory. We could have done more in this regard.
We couldn't have seen that global war was a certainty in 1938 so today second-guessing our behavior and policies then is Monday Morning QBing. This is further complicated by how strong the isolationist movement was in the U.S. between the World Wars.
We certainly were not complicit in the Holocaust but we could have done more to minimize the overall suffering.
Soviet Russia in the '20s & '30s was a different animal. The borders were effectively closed, culturally there was much more distance between them than German Jews to the U.S. Pre-war the Nazis would let any monied German of Jewish descent leave Germany if they were willing to pay for the privilege.
tl/dr: probably not much the U.S. could have done differently
This post was edited on 7/19/15 at 3:00 pm
Posted on 7/19/15 at 3:12 pm to soccerfüt
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Possibly aiding and abetting more proactive ways to assist ethnic refugees in their escape from the Reich. I fully understand that formal governmental sanctions or the like by other governments to Germany would not have meant anything to Herr Hitler.
The Nazis were ethnic-cleansers before the term existed. They wouldn't have cared where the refugees went as long as they were gone from German territory. We could have done more in this regard.
We couldn't have seen that global war was a certainty in 1938 so today second-guessing our behavior and policies then is Monday Morning QBing. This is further complicated by how strong the isolationist movement was in the U.S. between the World Wars.
Nothing is complicated by "isolationism." Isolationism is a term coined by interventionists to be disparaging towards those who essentially advocated a continuance of the foreign policy doctrine that had been advocated and practiced by the founders (and so eloquently explained by Washington in his Farewell Address) and subsequent American governments up until the Teddy Roosevelt age. To lament America's "isolationism" is not only the epitome of Monday Morning Quarterbacking, but it is to look back on that time period with a completely biased set of values, as WWII and the Cold War have resulted in American interventionism and global hegemony becoming a fundamental aspect of international relations and American foreign policy ideology today. They weren't back then and I would say it is quite debatable and subjective even today to suggest the desirability or correctness of such a philosophy.
In 1938, the Nazis were encouraging Jewish emigration. There was no indication of genocide, but rather domestic policies which relegated Jews to not just second class citizens, but non-citizens of the German nation. America had similar notions during this time period about peoples being lesser citizens, so there was no reason to anticipate genocide or anything whatsoever that would suggest the desirability or justification of American intervention in a foreign nation's domestic policies. Otherwise, perhaps the United States should have intervened in any number of nations who treated targeted persons with oppression, including our own French and British allies who ruled over subjugated peoples in foreign lands all across the globe. This is simply more application of modern day values and perceptions outside of proper historical context.
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We certainly were not complicit in the Holocaust but we could have done more to minimize the overall suffering.
The Holocaust of course has nothing to do with anything taking place in 1938 or earlier. And that "we could have done more to minimize suffering" in the regard to the Holocaust is an entirely different and debatable moral and historical discussion with a number of contestable premises.
It's quite interesting to me that there is this wide belief that the US was in error in joining WWII as late as it did but no one seems to make this argument for WWI. America had no apparent national interests in joining either conflict in the lead ups to both wars. I would suggest it is the postwar romanticizing of WWII that is largely responsible for this and not some unique circumstances surrounding the events. Both wars were fought over power politics and neither war was inevitable, plain and simple.
This post was edited on 7/19/15 at 3:15 pm
Posted on 7/19/15 at 3:14 pm to ChewyDante
Agreed but we did shut the door to such emigration.
Posted on 7/19/15 at 3:21 pm to prplhze2000
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Agreed but we did shut the door to such emigration.
America has a right and a rational motivation to limit its immigration numbers, even in times of international conflict or calamity. If we accepted all immigrants from war zones or other catastrophes it would be disastrous. America did accept Jewish immigrants from Europe during the 1930's. Perhaps we should accept all the peoples in Syria, war torn Africa, or all those Mexicans fleeing drug wars and poverty in modern times into the United States. Surely no one can deny it is very easy to arrange this transport into our borders given our current global capabilities.
Posted on 7/20/15 at 6:49 am to ChewyDante
I was tempted to address your response to me point-by-point but the following thought overrode my creativity.
Whether you intended or not, your responses sound angry and deprecating, No one in this thread posted anything here that warrants this type of response. In the words of the current meme, "Ain't nobody got time for that."
If this is your standard schtick, you must be really in demand and great fun at parties.
Whether you intended or not, your responses sound angry and deprecating, No one in this thread posted anything here that warrants this type of response. In the words of the current meme, "Ain't nobody got time for that."
If this is your standard schtick, you must be really in demand and great fun at parties.
Posted on 7/20/15 at 6:56 am to SEClint
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This is from an actual Disney cartoon
I knew that at one point Walt Disney was a known Nazi supporter but I never knew that a cartoon like that was made.
Posted on 7/20/15 at 6:58 am to SEClint
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This is from an actual Disney cartoon.
That is actually a 1943 American propaganda piece.
The Donald Duck Mein Kampf propaganda cartoon actually won an Oscar.
This post was edited on 7/20/15 at 7:00 am
Posted on 7/20/15 at 9:30 am to soccerfüt
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I was tempted to address your response to me point-by-point but the following thought overrode my creativity.
Whether you intended or not, your responses sound angry and deprecating, No one in this thread posted anything here that warrants this type of response. In the words of the current meme, "Ain't nobody got time for that."
If this is your standard schtick, you must be really in demand and great fun at parties.
I guess you aren't well accustomed to having your political or historical ideas critically countered then, because that was about as even tempered a response as I could imagine while disagreeing.
Perhaps you should venture to the Poli board or other political forums for context of "anger" and "deprecation" in sociopolitical discussions.
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