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re: 17 Deplorable Examples of White Privilege

Posted on 7/16/14 at 1:39 pm to
Posted by NoHoTiger
So many to kill, so little time
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Posted on 7/16/14 at 1:39 pm to
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They cannot relate to circumstances that they have not faced.

If this holds true, then why do so many point to white privilege? If you cannot relate to circumstances you have not faced, then how can you (general not specific you) be so sure that being white has afforded me privileges that others have not had?
Posted by TK421
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Posted on 7/16/14 at 1:39 pm to
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Are you really this dense


Fine, I'll change the question since you are completely missing the point.

Should people that knowingly break the law expect to serve the established prison term for that crime?
Posted by The Third Leg
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Posted on 7/16/14 at 1:42 pm to
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Fine, I'll change the question since you are completely missing the point. Should people that knowingly break the law expect to serve the established prison term for that crime?

You aren't making a point, you're talking in a fricking circle.

The point that has been raised is that it's absurd that five grams of a substance is viewed the same as five hundred grams of the substance it was derived from.
Posted by Grit-Eating Shin
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Posted on 7/16/14 at 1:43 pm to
I don't think it's so much that people cannot relate to circumstances that they have not faced; it's that that usually choose not to, in any number of ways.
Posted by Choctaw
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Posted on 7/16/14 at 1:45 pm to
why would i choose to relate to someone elses life?
Posted by TK421
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 7/16/14 at 1:45 pm to
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The point that has been raised is that it's absurd that five grams of a substance is viewed the same as five hundred grams of the substance it was derived from.


And none of that matters. Black people are in prison because they committed crimes, it has nothing to do with white privilege.
Posted by Grit-Eating Shin
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Posted on 7/16/14 at 1:49 pm to
What kind of ridiculous question is that?
Posted by ChoupiqueSacalait
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Posted on 7/16/14 at 1:52 pm to
The beginning of wisdom might be to note the utter dependence of the US on white men—men, guys, hombres—who have contributed virtually everything that keeps the affirmative-action classes from living in grass huts. A few examples:

Euclidean geometry.
Parabolic geometry.
Hyperbolic geometry.
Projective geometry.
Differential geometry.
Algebra.
Limits, continuity, differentiation, integration.
Physical chemistry.
Organic chemistry.
Biochemistry.
Classical mechanics.
The indeterminacy principle.
The wave equation.
The Parthenon.
The Anabasis.
Air conditioning.
Number theory.
Romanesque architecture.
Gothic architecture.
Information theory.
Entropy.
Enthalpy.
Almost every symphony ever written.
Pierre Auguste Renoir.
The twelve-tone scale.
The mathematics behind it, twelfth root of two and all that.
S-p hybrid bonding orbitals.
The Bohr-Sommerfeld atom.
The purine-pyrimidine structure of the DNA ladder.
Single-sideband radio.
All other radio.
Dentistry.
The internal-combustion engine.
Turbojets.
Turbofans.
Doppler beam-sharpening.
Penicillin.
Airplanes.
Surgery.
The mammogram.
The Pill.
The condom.
Polio vaccine.
The integrated circuit.
The computer.
Football.
Computational fluid dynamics.
Tensors.
The Constitution.
Euripides, Sophocles, Aristophanes, Aeschylus, Homer, Hesiod.
Glass.
Rubber.
Nylon.
Roads.
Buildings.
Elvis.
Acetylcholinesterase inhibitors.(OK, those are nerve agents, and maybe we didn't really need them.)
Silicone.
The automobile.
Really weird stuff, like clathrates, Buckyballs, and rotaxanes.
The Bible.
Bug spray.
Diffie-Hellman, public-key cryptography


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Posted by The Third Leg
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Posted on 7/16/14 at 1:52 pm to
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If this holds true, then why do so many point to white privilege? If you cannot relate to circumstances you have not faced, then how can you (general not specific you) be so sure that being white has afforded me privileges that others have not had?

That's a good point. I don't know.

The only explanation I can come up with is that white people are raising the issue of white privilege and many of those same white people have seen the circumstances of minorities up close.

Most of us, however, live with these realities out of sight and out of mind. We have no clue what goes on in dirt poor communities. Scholars regularly shine a light on these issues with firsthand accounts.

I'm not here saying white people all have it easy. I'm white, I've hauled a long arse road. But we are living by some different rules, albeit indirectly.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
69316 posts
Posted on 7/16/14 at 1:52 pm to
1. BS, law enforcement go after everyone now.
2. True, but who does that? Seriously?
3. BS
4. True
5. True
6. False, no one respects Beiber
7. True in most situations, unless you're Jewish
8. True, although many will assume it's because you had an inside connection
9. False, there are plenty of white people that don't get hired because of tattoos, piercings, crazy hair styles, dumb fashion choices, sounding or acting like uneducated hillbillies, ect
10. True, but generally the monitoring also comes from what the person is wearing. A trashy looking black guy will be "monitored" more than a well dressed white person, but a well dressed black person is far less likely to be "monitored" than a trashy dressed cracker.
11. Ruby Ridge, IRA, OK City, Newtown, Sandy Hook, IRS building, WACO, ect says you're wrong
12. That's a Hun, you jackass. The Huns were depicting German citizens who are Europe's version of "The Whitest Kids You Know"
13. You don't have to explain it because it's always obvious how dumb it is. Yes, you with the tribal armband tattoo, we get it, you suck at life and think Dan Cook is hilarious.
14. You would be wrong. It happens to us too.
15. It's true because we GOT over it. How many Jews still complain about being slaves in Egypt and Babylon? How many Irish complain about being valued even less than slaves while building the Irish Channel? What about the Chinese slave laborers who built the railroads? Do Russians still complain about being slaves to the Czars?
16. False. That's one example. James Brown is not a black version of anyone, neither is Jay Z, Barack Obama, Shaq, Warren Moon, Miles Davis, or insert nearly any prominent African American figure
17. BS, we're reminded that we're white, racist, evil, bigots all of the time while hearing "When I sat 'Kill', you say 'Whitey'! 'Kill' whitey! 'Kill' whitey!"
Posted by The Third Leg
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Posted on 7/16/14 at 1:53 pm to
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And none of that matters. Black people are in prison because they committed crimes, it has nothing to do with white privilege.

I'd feel sorry for you but you would probably be insulted.
Posted by 68wDoc68w
baton rouge
Member since Jan 2014
1869 posts
Posted on 7/16/14 at 1:56 pm to
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You aren't making a point, you're talking in a fricking circle. The point that has been raised is that it's absurd that five grams of a substance is viewed the same as five hundred grams of the substance it was derived from.


where are you getting the information from????
Posted by The Third Leg
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Member since May 2014
11851 posts
Posted on 7/16/14 at 1:59 pm to
From the inappropriately named Fair Sentencing Act of 1986

I believe it has been reduced to 18:1 now, after twenty plus years of prolific jailing.
Posted by jacks40
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2007
11877 posts
Posted on 7/16/14 at 2:00 pm to
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Should people that knowingly break the law expect to serve the established prison term for that crime?




Go Macro not micro, should the sentencing guidelines be so different?

In a perfect world no one would have drug addictions, but try to live in the real world.

Or how about this tact instead. Don't you think that once you eliminate discrepancies such as sentencing guidelines like this your argument would carry much greater weight?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 7/16/14 at 2:03 pm to
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The point that has been raised is that it's absurd that five grams of a substance is viewed the same as five hundred grams of the substance it was derived from.

i don't agree with the WoD, but it does make sense when that particular refined version of the substance caused a huge spike in crime (and after increasing penalties for that form of coke, crime fell in kind)

criminal laws are developed for an overall legal scheme and in response to the realities of the time they're created
Posted by Bleeding purple
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Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 7/16/14 at 2:03 pm to

Posted by 68wDoc68w
baton rouge
Member since Jan 2014
1869 posts
Posted on 7/16/14 at 2:03 pm to
this is the Louisiana RS 40:967




4)(a) Production or manufacturing of cocaine or cocaine base or a mixture or substance containing cocaine or its analogues as provided in Schedule II(A)(4) of R.S. 40:964 or oxycodone as provided in Schedule II(A)(1)(o) of R.S. 40:964 or methadone as provided in Schedule II(B)(11) of R.S. 40:964 shall be sentenced to imprisonment at hard labor for not less than ten nor more than thirty years, at least ten years of which shall be served without benefit of parole, probation, or suspension of sentence, and may be fined not more than five hundred thousand dollars.

(b) Distribution, dispensing, or possession with intent to produce, manufacture, distribute, or dispense cocaine or cocaine base or a mixture or substance containing cocaine or its analogues as provided in Schedule II(A)(4) of R.S. 40:964 or oxycodone as provided in Schedule II(A)(1)(o) of R.S. 40:964 or methadone as provided in Schedule II(B)(11) of R.S. 40:964 shall be sentenced to a term of imprisonment at hard labor for not less than two years nor more than thirty years, with the first two years of said sentence being without benefit of parole, probation, or suspension of sentence; and may, in addition, be sentenced to pay a fine of not more than fifty thousand dollars.


meaning they can sentence you any in that time frame. Judge decides
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
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Posted on 7/16/14 at 2:04 pm to
he's talking federal guidelines, which are a VERY small % of drug cases amongst all drug cases across the US
Posted by TK421
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2011
10420 posts
Posted on 7/16/14 at 2:05 pm to
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Go Macro not micro, should the sentencing guidelines be so different?


Maybe. But that is outside of my control and the control of those currently in prison.

The only thing they can control is whether or not they do something that will currently land them in prison, even if that punishment is unjust. They have no one to blame but themselves.
Posted by jacks40
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2007
11877 posts
Posted on 7/16/14 at 2:06 pm to
quote:

i don't agree with the WoD, but it does make sense when that particular refined version of the substance caused a huge spike in crime (and after increasing penalties for that form of coke, crime fell in kind)

criminal laws are developed for an overall legal scheme and in response to the realities of the time they're created


Now this is a more logical, intelligent argument than "don't do no crime, won't be no crime."
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