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re: 155 years ago today: Ulysses S. Grant secured Chattanooga
Posted on 11/26/18 at 4:08 pm to Decisions
Posted on 11/26/18 at 4:08 pm to Decisions
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They learned the value of combined arms, railroads and waterways in troop movements, and how indispensable industry would be.
Definitely agree there.
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They DID NOT learn from Pickett’s Charge, Grant’s frontal assault on Cold Harbor, Antietam, or how the war had evolved by Petersburg.
Generally agree, but they should've paid more attention to the bolded and that they didn't was largely attributable to their own hubris. I know that they'd seen some brief and small-scale trench warfare at Sevastopol and the like, but it wasn't the grinding, theater-wide hell that Vicksburg and then Petersburg became. They dismissed the trench experience of the ACW and the Russo-Japanese War to their own very sad detriment.
Posted on 11/26/18 at 4:17 pm to Sayre
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Sayre
Buddy, HISTORY says it. The vast majority of the time it’s true. The brilliance was in the logistics of supporting his men, which Grant undoubtedly had a hand in.
But don’t get high and mighty on me like you know otherwise. History is written by the victors and yet Grant is still not thought of as exceptional. That should tell you all you need to know.
Posted on 11/26/18 at 4:36 pm to 1BamaRTR
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Funny how this thread is a controversial topic on this site
It’s an embarrassment that there are as many downvotes about the slavery post, and upvotes for the ‘good guys losing’. But I will say this, at least the back and forth is about Grant’s performance; the upvotes and downvotes aren't supported by any other substantive posts, because the butthurt posters don’t have any ground to stand on. The Confederacy was a fricking mistake built on an immoral premise and everyone knows it.
Posted on 11/26/18 at 5:22 pm to Decisions
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I agree with your post, however the point still stands that Grant never displayed real tactical brilliance. Of course he didn’t need to, as you said. But just because he won with logistics and strategy does not mean he could have also won with tactics if required.
I do think trying to display tactical brilliance might have derailed certain victory.
The analogy I would use would be a football team that can run the ball at will. You can criticize them for not displaying a passing game, but if running off tackle up and down the field is something the opponent can't stop...you only hurt yourself by trying fancy stuff.
I raise McClellan because he tried to play a tactical game. Grant took tactics from Lee by pressure and resources. Lee could have won tactical battles and extended the war. Grant took a sledgehammer apprach, but that was a strategy Lee could not match.
If you can overwhelm someone, overwhelm them. Don't play their game. That's the big lesson Grant teaches. Between his pressure in Virginia and turning Sherman loose to the sea, Grant saw a route to certain victory through blunt force and took it.
Posted on 11/26/18 at 7:42 pm to TigersFan64
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dwin M. Stanton was right...the leaders of the rebellion were traitors to the Union who put the nation through shear Hell for four years. If anything, these traitors to the Union deserved to be hanged, not venerated like so many today still insist on doing.
I guess you've never heard that Confederate veterans are considered exactly the same as any other American veterans. Or if you have, you just can't stand it.
Let the butthurt flow through you.
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