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re: 13 charged in plots to kidnap Michigan Gov. Whitmer, target state government
Posted on 10/8/20 at 2:59 pm to Centinel
Posted on 10/8/20 at 2:59 pm to Centinel
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Yes, and to cut your "gotcha" off at the pass, this can also apply to the members of BLM who truly believe in the need to address police actions and aren't in it just for the looting/burning as an excuse to loot/burn. I don't agree with what they're doing, but I understand why they would do it.
Ahh, the "gotcha" if it is one was sealed from the second I treated you as a cross victim. It was a linear cross and you had to see it coming from the very first question but you were sorta leveraged into answering since you castigated the other guy earlier in the thread for not answering your cross. As long as you didn't let this is where we were going.
My simple takeaway is don't conflate understanding the reasons for an action with supporting the unlawful actions.
I personally think that the BLM protest (especially prior to being hijacked by self-appointed "leaders") had some legitimate beefs with the way policing is done in many parts of the US, a sentiment shared by a good portion of the OT over time. I can also understand the frustration and anger of this group and share some of their frustration. That said I am not accepting either actions as some blood nourishing the liberty tree kinda garbage.
There may be a time when riots and destruction of property are needed just like the Boston Tea Party but I think we are a long way away from that and a helluva lot farther from the need to accept and condone the kidnapping of elected officials.
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Posted on 10/8/20 at 2:59 pm to LNCHBOX
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I'm gonna need a link to me supporting everything they ever planned.
"acting like a tyrant has consequences"
Posted on 10/8/20 at 3:00 pm to Salmon
For her. I know you're not as stupid as you're trying play here, so stop.
Posted on 10/8/20 at 3:00 pm to LNCHBOX
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If you ever had any non leftist thoughts maybe.
My apologies for not being a far right Loon when it comes to this topic.
Posted on 10/8/20 at 3:00 pm to Obtuse1
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There may be a time when riots and destruction of property are needed just like the Boston Tea Party but I think we are a long way away from that and a helluva lot farther from the need to accept and condone the kidnapping of elected officials.
No argument here.
Posted on 10/8/20 at 3:01 pm to Sao
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My apologies for not being a far right Loon when it comes to this topic.
Your next no leftist opinion will be your first.
Posted on 10/8/20 at 3:01 pm to LNCHBOX
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For her.
so you're good with other government officials acting like tyrants?
Posted on 10/8/20 at 3:02 pm to LNCHBOX
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I'm gonna need a link to me supporting everything they ever planned.
idk if you're meaning to or not but when you say stuff like
LINK
> frick her. Those in government should suffer when they destroy lives with no regard.
it comes across as if you're supporting them tbh
Posted on 10/8/20 at 3:02 pm to Salmon
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so you're good with other government officials acting like tyrants?
I'm not good with any of them acting like her.
Posted on 10/8/20 at 3:02 pm to HT713
Again, that was for her. Not some over arching unending support for any and all plans they have.
Posted on 10/8/20 at 3:03 pm to LNCHBOX
don't you understand the general idea, though, that the main issue with the argument you're making is that the definition of, "tyrant" is super malleable and for every politician on earth, you can probably find a group of people that think they're being tyrannical
Posted on 10/8/20 at 3:04 pm to LNCHBOX
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I'm not good with any of them acting like her.
but you literally just said its only about her
Posted on 10/8/20 at 3:04 pm to LNCHBOX
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Your next no leftist opinion will be your first
Youve lost it. Retire on Golden Pond.
Posted on 10/8/20 at 3:04 pm to HT713
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don't you understand the general idea, though, that the main issue with the argument you're making is that the definition of, "tyrant" is super malleable and for every politician on earth, you can probably find a group of people that think they're being tyrannical
don't try and change the subject
Posted on 10/8/20 at 3:06 pm to HT713
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don't you understand the general idea, though,
No, because I'm specifically singling this one person out.
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that the main issue with the argument you're making is that the definition of, "tyrant" is super malleable and for every politician on earth, you can probably find a group of people that think they're being tyrannical
Which is why it is limited to this one specific politician's actions. How hard is it to just keep it at that?
Posted on 10/8/20 at 3:06 pm to Sao
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Youve lost it.
I haven't. No one is fooled by your pretending to be in the middle.
Salmon can pull that off. You can't
Posted on 10/8/20 at 3:07 pm to Salmon
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but you literally just said its only about her
Ok, I've definitely given you way too much credit
Posted on 10/8/20 at 3:08 pm to Salmon
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because the very guys that you supported also believed that all of those other government officials were complicit, and thus, deserved the same as the governor
They also considered potentially killing innocent Michiganians as a "distraction" by blowing up a bridge.
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The federal complaint in this case alleges that the FBI began an investigation earlier this year after becoming aware through social media that a group of individuals was discussing the violent overthrow of certain government and law enforcement components. Through confidential sources, undercover agents, and clandestine recordings, law enforcement learned particular individuals were planning to kidnap the Governor and acting in furtherance of that plan. This group used operational security measures, including communicating by encrypted messaging platforms and used code words and phrases in an attempt to avoid detection by law enforcement. On two occasions, members of the alleged conspiracy conducted coordinated surveillance on the Governor’s vacation home. Fox and Croft discussed detonating explosive devices to divert police from the area of the vacation home and Fox even inspected the underside of an M-31 highway bridge for places to seat an explosive, according to the complaint. Among other activities, the complaint alleges Fox purchased a taser for use in the kidnapping and that the group successfully detonated an improvised explosive device wrapped with shrapnel to test its anti-personnel capabilities. The FBI and Michigan State Police executed arrests as multiple conspirators met to pool funds for explosives and exchange tactical gear.
US DOJ Press Release on arrests
Posted on 10/8/20 at 3:08 pm to SouthEndzoneTiger
This is what happens when you do what's been done. Stop fricking with people's lives. People can do many things unexpected if pushed to the brink.
Posted on 10/8/20 at 3:09 pm to LNCHBOX
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How hard is it to just keep it at that?
the only reason why you are so adamant about just keeping it about the governor is because you know you won't be consistent with this position
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