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re: Where would we be if Gregg WillIams was still here
Posted on 7/9/17 at 11:55 am to t00f
Posted on 7/9/17 at 11:55 am to t00f
The OP stated where would the Saints be if Gregg Williams was still DC. In his eyes, Williams did no wrong apparently. This game against the 49ers showed just how much of a liability Williams had become. The OP has delusions of grandeur in his head. I'm grateful for what Williams did in the Super Bowl year but with everything he did following that season, frick him. Nobody even mentioned how he threw the Saints organization under the bus to the league office during all the bountygate crap in an attempt to save his own hide or how Payton & Vitt said Williams was leaking picks from the war room on draft day to Jeff Duncan. Also, most fans realize that had the team won that game, they probably go on to win the Super Bowl.
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Posted on 7/9/17 at 12:09 pm to BigBrod81
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The OP stated where would the Saints be if Gregg Williams was still DC
I get all that but seeing that TD just put me in a bad mood, sorry.
To what I am sure is an utter delight to the 49'er fans this was the most painful loss for me to ever watch. This is my Vikings loss to the Saints type of pain. /rantoff
Posted on 7/9/17 at 12:19 pm to t00f
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I get all that but seeing that TD just put me in a bad mood, sorry.
Understandable. The Vernon Davis 47 yard catch is the play that eats at me. Better yet the incomplete pass the play before the 47 yard catch is the play that fans should hate the most. After such a close call, the defense should have gone back to a zone coverage with Vernon Davis being jammed at the line of scrimmage with tight press coverage & a defender over the top. Even if he beats the jam eventually, you make him work to earn it, allowing the timing of the route to potentially get thrown off in the process.
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this was the most painful loss for me to ever watch.
I think most fans realize that at the least, the Saints would gave beaten the Giants at home to face the Patriots in the Super Bowl after the Saints had destroyed the Giants in the Dome earlier that year.
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Perry Fewell was forced this week to review a game he would prefer never to have seen again, the Giants' 49-24 loss to the Saints in New Orleans on Nov. 28, 2011.
"I want to forget about that game, because they kicked the (crap) out of us," Fewell said today.
Give that man a gold star for honesty. The lopsided loss in the Mercedes-Benz Superdome was the low point of the Giants' 2011 championship season. New Orleans' 49 points were the most allowed by the Giants since a 50-21 loss to Washington on Sept. 19, 1999. The Saints gained 577 total yards, the second-highest total ever allowed by the Giants and the most they had surrendered in 68 years. On Nov. 14, 1943, the Chicago Bears gained 682 yards vs. the Giants.
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Even Victor Cruz admitted the Giants wanted no part of coming back to the Dome.
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As Vacchiano points out, receiver Victor Cruz has said that the 49ers beating the Saints “definitely works out in our favor a little bit,” since the Giants now don’t have to return to the Superdome, where the Saints dismantled the Giants during the regular season, 49-24.
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This post was edited on 7/9/17 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 7/9/17 at 12:51 pm to BigBrod81
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When Smith checks it down to Gore, Patrick Robinson turns his body to prevent Gore from getting out of bounds. Not only that but he forces Gore back into the field of play where he is able to be gang tackled. The following play produces a similar result. Then Williams goes full retard on the following 2 play calls. After that, the rest is history.
yup. that whole drive shoulda been zone keep it in front, middle of field and let clock run. hell if we do that they may not even get into FG range. Bottom line is we shoulda defended the big/deep play/goal line the whole drive. we did not. if they somehow get a FG to send to OT i was ok with it. our offense was on fire and had scored two TD's in the last 4 minutes. the defense blew our lead TWICE in the last 4 minutes. appalling!
This post was edited on 7/9/17 at 12:53 pm
Posted on 7/9/17 at 1:04 pm to Fat Bastard
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yup. that whole drive shoulda been zone keep it in front, middle of field and let clock run. hell if we do that they may not even get into FG range. Bottom line is we shoulda defended the big/deep play/goal line the whole drive. we did not. if they somehow get a FG to send to OT i was ok with it. our offense was on fire and had scored two TD's in the last 4 minutes. the defense blew our lead TWICE in the last 4 minutes. appalling!
Bingo!
Posted on 7/9/17 at 1:24 pm to BigBrod81
No doubt about that. Giants did not match up well with the Saints that year. We pretty much scored at will.
Posted on 7/9/17 at 6:40 pm to CajunsTigersSaints
I can't believe we still have people that bring up the San Fran playoff game. How can you live with yourselves constantly reminding us of that pain?
Posted on 7/9/17 at 10:45 pm to swagsurfin7
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I can't believe we still have people that bring up the San Fran playoff game.
Not all fans have vaginas & can actually discuss the game despite the heartbreaking outcome.
Posted on 7/10/17 at 1:19 am to t00f
frick Gregg Williams
Posted on 7/10/17 at 3:05 am to BigBrod81
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Normally, this is my line of thinking as well but not with this game. Despite turning it over 5 times, the offense still put up 32 points on the road against one of the best defenses the NFL has seen in the past 15 years.
The offense got the lead late. In the end, they did what they needed to do. If Williams continues to play situational football like he does on the first two plays of the final drive, the Saints would have been hosting the Giants for the NFCCG the following week.
the 49ers punted 8 times. Hardly anyone ever brings that up.
and the only time the Saints sacked the QB that game was cause of a blitz. I know they were blitzing a lot so its sort of by default but the D-line just didn't really do shite as far as rush the passer.
on the other hand, Aldon Smith and Justin Smith harassed Brees all day.
Posted on 7/10/17 at 10:50 am to LooseCannon22282
Oh no that has been brought up. To overcome 5 turnovers yes the defense had to make stops to help our offense get a chance to get back in the game. Nobody is denying that. The point is Gregg Williams shite the bed on two consecutive drives with less than 4 minutes to go in the game. He should have at least learned from previous drive and first two plays of last drive. He didn't. He had his head up his arse.
Posted on 7/10/17 at 6:21 pm to BigBrod81
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Not all fans have vaginas & can actually discuss the game despite the heartbreaking outcome.
I was more of a joke than anything. Kindly GFY.
Posted on 7/10/17 at 6:26 pm to Fat Bastard
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Oh no that has been brought up. To overcome 5 turnovers yes the defense had to make stops to help our offense get a chance to get back in the game. Nobody is denying that. The point is Gregg Williams shite the bed on two consecutive drives with less than 4 minutes to go in the game. He should have at least learned from previous drive and first two plays of last drive. He didn't. He had his head up his arse.
Yep. Defense kept us within striking distance, and then folded miserably
Posted on 7/10/17 at 9:38 pm to Fat Bastard
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The point is Gregg Williams shite the bed on two consecutive drives with less than 4 minutes to go in the game. He should have at least learned from previous drive and first two plays of last drive. He didn't. He had his head up his arse.
oh no, I've never defended GW and the D's total collapse there at the end.
but had you told me that the Saints were going to turn the ball over 5 times before the game started I would assumed the worst.
not getting any points on the opening drive and setting the tempo early is what I think it all goes back to. And injury added to insult but losing PT was just awful. I think that drive was the longest time consuming drive all day for either team. If it was then not getting anything to show for it is even more frustrating to me.
I think had we gotten better play from the D-line rushing the passer things might have been different. All of the QB sacks the Saints got in that game came from either a LB or a DB (on a blitz) I think.
And even though the Saints offense carved up the 49ers for yards and points, their D-line got to Brees a lot.
at one point Justin Smith just mauled Bushrod and almost sacked Brees while Bushrod was still in front of him trying to block him. I think either Smith got a piece of the ball or grabbed Brees right when he threw the ball. He just walked Bushrod all the way back into the pocket and still managed to knock Brees down with Bushrod draped on him.
I don't remember any of our D-line taking control like that at any point of the game.
This post was edited on 7/10/17 at 10:12 pm
Posted on 7/11/17 at 2:18 am to LooseCannon22282
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not getting any points on the opening drive and setting the tempo early is what I think it all goes back to. And injury added to insult but losing PT was just awful. I think that drive was the longest time consuming drive all day for either team. If it was then not getting anything to show for it is even more frustrating to me.
Let us not forget that Donte Whitner literally broke PT's jaw on the opening drive. Our tempo was incredible on that opening drive. Chunks of yards at a time. Sucks that a clear helmet to helmet ended it.
Posted on 7/11/17 at 7:09 am to Tigeralltheway
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If Roman Harper had not laid an egg in 2011 on Vernon Davis 1 more for sure!
Before I rant about how stupid you are, the better question is where would we be if Roger Goodell didn't skullfrick this franchise into ground for no reason at the beginning of this teams golden age. We won the superbowl in 2009 and 2011 was statistically our best franchise year. We were playing incredible and the front office was rolling and then Goodell assraped our entire franchise. frick that piece of shite. I hope he gets fricked by a Mule on a pile of fire ants for eternity.
As for that playoff game in 2011:
5 offensive turnovers and a massive RB injury. We lost PT on the opening drive. Brees was getting slapped around all game and we turned the ball over 5 times.
And we STILL barely lost that game. How much more could you ask of our defense? They kept us in the game the whole time by the end they were just gassed.
I hate people who blame the defense for that game.
Gregg Williams was the best defensive coordinator we had and he reigned over the best stretch of football this franchise ever played including a superbowl victory.
frick every one of yall who shits on him
This post was edited on 7/11/17 at 7:16 am
Posted on 7/11/17 at 8:26 am to swagsurfin7
Yup. We were about to go up 7-0. Didn't PT fumble on like the 2 yard line? That was a brutal hit he took.
Posted on 7/11/17 at 9:43 am to Breesus
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We were playing incredible and the front office was rolling and then Goodell assraped our entire franchise. frick that piece of shite. I hope he gets fricked by a Mule on a pile of fire ants for eternity.
Agreed:
Posted on 7/11/17 at 2:44 pm to Breesus
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by the end they were just gassed.
And forcing slow safeties to go one on one when they're fatigued was the best solution?
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