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re: What does Ingram do this year?
Posted on 7/27/14 at 4:44 pm to Guy Sajer FS
Posted on 7/27/14 at 4:44 pm to Guy Sajer FS
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We'll see about hat. You obviously like Marky a helluva lot more than I do.
Did you read what Bill Parcels told Payton about Khiry? Last time Parcells said something that complimentary about a Saint, the player was JimmyG.
I'll take Khiry on this one.
Yes, we are high on him and Khiry (you know, since they BOTH played exceptionally well when the OL changed up and the playoffs came around). And does Parcells run this organization? No. The whole thing about him talking highly of JG came out just last year, so hindsight is 20/20. If JG sucked, do you think it would have come out to the public? No.
Khiry Robinson - 21 carries 102 yards 1 TD (4.9ypc) and 1 reception for 13 yards in the playoffs.
Mark Ingram - 28 carries 146 yards 1TD (5.2ypc) and 3 receptions for 17 yards (1 lost fumble) in the playoffs.
Sounds to me like they're both neck and neck. Whoever stays healthier and can pass protect is probably going to get more snaps.
This post was edited on 7/27/14 at 4:46 pm
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Posted on 7/27/14 at 4:58 pm to htran90
Predicting 850+ yds from Robinson in a semi-break out. Ingram goes for 500+ to prove he's a solid #2 low end #1 for someone.
Posted on 7/27/14 at 5:25 pm to htran90
You can't explain the true x's and o's of this team to a tabloid fan. Don't waste your energy. Dude doesn't have a fricking clue from reading his posts.
Posted on 7/27/14 at 6:44 pm to htran90
Hey, it was really generous of you to include the whole season of the best of his career while completely ignoring the other two years he was, to put it kindly, worthless.
You're John D. freakin Rockefeller
You're John D. freakin Rockefeller
Posted on 7/27/14 at 6:47 pm to htran90
Maybe Parcells comment about JG was news to you, but I remember it soon after the draft. Maybe you didn't pay attention? It was public long before JG was putting yup big numbers. Parcells told Payton something like 'you're finally starting to get the feel for this drafting stuff' on the JG pick.
ANd no shite, Parcells doesn't run the Saints. But if you've read Payton's book, the guy clearly reveres Bill Parcells. So, yeah, when Parcells tells Payton something about his players, I'm going to go out on a limb to suggest Sean P is thinking the same way.
ANd no shite, Parcells doesn't run the Saints. But if you've read Payton's book, the guy clearly reveres Bill Parcells. So, yeah, when Parcells tells Payton something about his players, I'm going to go out on a limb to suggest Sean P is thinking the same way.
Posted on 7/27/14 at 7:31 pm to CBandits82
I heard an interview with Mark Ingram the other day on WWL. They ask him about the upcoming season and he immediately said something like "this season is very huge for me and my camp for me to do well because I am in a contract year" the. He kinda backed off and they kept trying to bait him saying "so you are gonna try harder this year than a normal year bc of contract?"
He dance around question.
We may get one decent year finally this year then I say let his arse go somewheres else next season.
He dance around question.
We may get one decent year finally this year then I say let his arse go somewheres else next season.
This post was edited on 7/27/14 at 7:32 pm
Posted on 7/27/14 at 9:18 pm to Guy Sajer FS
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Hey, it was really generous of you to include the whole season of the best of his career while completely ignoring the other two years he was, to put it kindly, worthless.
You're John D. freakin Rockefeller
Thanks, that is a badass last name I might say.
Am I ignoring the fact that he underperformed for a first rounder, not one bit. One thing I am considering is that he noticeably played a lot better in the second half of both of those seasons after he came back from a foot/toe injury Also, add in the fact that our playcalling with him on the field didn't help him at all nor did our pathetic OL before Armstead came in. I choose to accept the fact that he needs a decent OL to be productive because he isn't a power back that is gonna ram you for 2-3 extra yards most of the time. You complain I ignore those games, but you ignore the games he played reasonably well against good defenses.
If he's getting 1st team reps and more playing time, he needs to be able to pass protect. Assuming that is the case, his numbers will go up because of the less predictable nature of our offense (i.e. look at the philly game SoundFX. Connor Barwin can be heard saying 'ingram is in, its a run' - paraphrasing here.). So you consider you know, the games where he got stuffed behind the LOS to be his fault? Because that is what you sound like.
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Maybe Parcells comment about JG was news to you, but I remember it soon after the draft. Maybe you didn't pay attention? It was public long before JG was putting yup big numbers. Parcells told Payton something like 'you're finally starting to get the feel for this drafting stuff' on the JG pick.
ANd no shite, Parcells doesn't run the Saints. But if you've read Payton's book, the guy clearly reveres Bill Parcells. So, yeah, when Parcells tells Payton something about his players, I'm going to go out on a limb to suggest Sean P is thinking the same way.
In 2010 when JG was drafted, Parcells called CSP and said "you're learning" right? No one considered that anything big of a deal. No one knew he was going to be a big star, if they did he wouldn't have lasted to the 4th round if we skipped on him.
He had 1 year of football and no one knew what he was going to be. But like I said, it means shite because hindsight is 20/20. For all we know, he could have been a flop (like half of the draft picks).
If it ended up bad, would you go and bring it back up and say "Parcells had 0 clue wtf he was doing, so why is Khiry like Martin"! Actually, most dolphin fans said he had 0 fricking clue what he was doing while he was the VP of football operations in 2008-2010. You're making it sound as if Parcells is the best talent evaluator in the game because he surely made his fair share of mistakes.
But yeah, when Parcells came out and told CSP that Khiry = Martin...and did he run him any bit more than the previous week vs. Seattle?
This team needs a RB that can pass protect. Everyone here believes that Robinson is going to have a big chunk of carries and plays this year. If he and Ingram can pass protect, all the better and whoever can do more for this offense will get more snaps.
The issue with you is that you get all anal because someone has a differing opinion on the 'bust' that has played reasonably well after our change in LT and the improved health of Evans. If you wanna keep constantly blaming his #s on solely Ingram, then you need to start watching the game.
This post was edited on 7/27/14 at 9:21 pm
Posted on 7/27/14 at 9:23 pm to htran90
I went into a coma trying to finish your post.
Posted on 7/27/14 at 9:24 pm to Hoodoo Man
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I went into a coma trying to finish your post.
...I'm sounding like bone
Posted on 7/27/14 at 9:33 pm to CBandits82
One of the things we saw last year was a shift to a more zone running scheme, and it really started coming together after Armstead took over. His athleticism and strength makes him a pretty fierce run blocker in the zone scheme. This is great because we don't have to be so right side oriented like we were with Brown at LT. He never was a very good run blocker.
This also played into Ingram's strengths because of his quick acceleration, balance and cutting ability. It fits him better than a power running oriented scheme.
I think he'll have a fine year, but I doubt we retain him unless he just really wants to stay.
This also played into Ingram's strengths because of his quick acceleration, balance and cutting ability. It fits him better than a power running oriented scheme.
I think he'll have a fine year, but I doubt we retain him unless he just really wants to stay.
Posted on 7/28/14 at 8:06 am to CBandits82
we've seen the same pattern repeat itself with Ingram every year. He will run like dogshit the first half of the season until it gets to the point that we're screaming from the rooftops for Payton to bench him...which he does...then Ingram will come back for the last 4-5 games and run decently (4.5+ ypc consistently).
If he could run all year like he does at the end, he'd be fantastic for us. I suspect, however, that it has less to do with him and more to do with worn out linebackers/linemen.
If he could run all year like he does at the end, he'd be fantastic for us. I suspect, however, that it has less to do with him and more to do with worn out linebackers/linemen.
Posted on 7/28/14 at 10:31 am to CBandits82
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What does Ingram do this year?
I'm just hoping he doesn't injure anyone on our team this year. That would be a good start.
Posted on 7/28/14 at 10:57 am to Suntiger
I believe doesn't earn a contract extension and is released in the off-season. So long.
Posted on 7/28/14 at 3:25 pm to transcend
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I believe doesn't earn a contract extension and is released in the off-season. So long.
Will probably have a solid season if he stays healthy and will haul arse. So you are right, so long.
He is not a good fit here anyway the way he is used. The dude needs to get more than the token 1 or 2 carries and then pulled out so Brees can torch the secondary again. The Saints never need to waste another high pick on a RB. Reggie and Mark never lived up to their hype.
Posted on 7/28/14 at 3:38 pm to CBandits82
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What does Ingram do this year?
hopefully leave
Posted on 7/28/14 at 3:53 pm to htran90
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Whoever stays healthier and can pass protect is probably going to get more snaps.
I think the contract situation might have a lot to do with it too. I've tried looking at the Ingram situation from every angle that I can think of, but none of them really point to him being a Saint after this season. If that is the case I think playtime might be slanted a little bit more towards Robinson, given nothing happens in camp/pre-season like injury. I wonder if they really start to work on Robinson's catching ability this camp - Ingram was pretty inconsistent with catching the ball last season. 2 plays really stick out in that regard for me - early in the Dallas game and middle of the Seattle playoff game.
This post was edited on 7/28/14 at 3:54 pm
Posted on 7/28/14 at 4:05 pm to CBandits82
probably what he usually does.
start out slow.
then all of sudden, not look so bad by mid-to-late season.
I just hope that the run game kind of picks up where it left off from the playoffs.
I don't know if the line just stepped up their game in the playoffs or what... but when Ingram got rolling it was surprising.
especially against the Eagles. The Eagles knew that when he was in the game, we wanted to run and he still had a nice night. That was pretty encouraging.
start out slow.
then all of sudden, not look so bad by mid-to-late season.
I just hope that the run game kind of picks up where it left off from the playoffs.
I don't know if the line just stepped up their game in the playoffs or what... but when Ingram got rolling it was surprising.
especially against the Eagles. The Eagles knew that when he was in the game, we wanted to run and he still had a nice night. That was pretty encouraging.
Posted on 7/28/14 at 4:13 pm to LooseCannon22282
It's so hard to gauge the problem when a running back isn't productive. Everyone knows that if your line isn't blocking well, it's hard to run the ball. But you always have those runners that, no matter what, come away with good games even if they're being chased around in the backfield.
Ingram just isn't that type of runner. He needs a consistent line to block and I can't think of anyone less suited for a zone blocking scheme than he is. I think the Eagles game was just vastly better because our Oline was just that much better with Armstead replacing Brown. I also think the Eagles rushing defense was statistically overrated going into that game and our guys just won the 1-on-1's rather easily. Also, how NO splits the carries is really beneficial at keeping your runners fresh going into the postseason. IMO it just has less to do with Ingram and more to do with the line and coaching decisions in this case.
Ingram just isn't that type of runner. He needs a consistent line to block and I can't think of anyone less suited for a zone blocking scheme than he is. I think the Eagles game was just vastly better because our Oline was just that much better with Armstead replacing Brown. I also think the Eagles rushing defense was statistically overrated going into that game and our guys just won the 1-on-1's rather easily. Also, how NO splits the carries is really beneficial at keeping your runners fresh going into the postseason. IMO it just has less to do with Ingram and more to do with the line and coaching decisions in this case.
This post was edited on 7/28/14 at 4:16 pm
Posted on 7/28/14 at 4:22 pm to bountyhunter
Agree.
Why would be expect anything radically different from MI this year?
As you said every carry MI gets is one less for KRob who will be the one here in 2015 not Ingram.
We will see in that 1st pre season game how the RB's are stacked up for the coming year I think.
Why would be expect anything radically different from MI this year?
As you said every carry MI gets is one less for KRob who will be the one here in 2015 not Ingram.
We will see in that 1st pre season game how the RB's are stacked up for the coming year I think.
Posted on 7/28/14 at 4:29 pm to bountyhunter
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I also think the Eagles rushing defense was statistically overrated going into that game
maybe so.
it could be because teams just chose to throw it on them more than run it against them.
and... when teams played them last year they might have wanted to get into that shootout mode with them since the Eagles had an up tempo type of offense that scored its fair share of points.
he ran it okay against the Seahawks too. But he had the costly fumble. Even though I was pissed off at him for that, it isn't like he fumbles all of the time.
This post was edited on 7/28/14 at 4:32 pm
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