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re: We have enough Linebackers. Safety was the right pick.

Posted on 4/25/13 at 10:44 pm to
Posted by Sho Nuff
Oahu
Member since Feb 2009
14091 posts
Posted on 4/25/13 at 10:44 pm to
I think the Saints will regret this decision for years to come. BUT, I am hoping Vaccaro does what we need as it's obvious Safety was a need. I just don't think his impact will outweigh what Jarvis Jones would have done.

We'll know in a few years and I really hope I'm wrong.

Posted by bonethug0108
Avondale
Member since Mar 2013
12690 posts
Posted on 4/25/13 at 10:48 pm to
I remember Lewis, that's why I said next year PRob OR White. ;)

I hope we can keep Greer though.
Posted by Mouth
Member since Jan 2008
23082 posts
Posted on 4/25/13 at 11:23 pm to
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Yep. I'm so excited to have picked the guy that played nickel for a shitty defense


You do realize that his experience and ability to play nickel is why Vaccaro was labeled the best safety in the draft?

He is a combo safety who can play nickel. If you dont like the pick thats fine, but if your're saying Vaccaro isn't any good and can't play safety? then you're just being irrational bc you simply don't know any better.

No way I'm gonna crown him anything yet. All I know is that the safety position needed to be address and we just drafted the guy most everyone had at the top of that list.
Posted by tenderfoot tigah
Red Stick
Member since Sep 2004
11561 posts
Posted on 4/25/13 at 11:51 pm to
Danny McCray should have been first safety taken cuz he played nickle on a good defense.

Nice logic
Posted by Brageous
Member since Jul 2008
107724 posts
Posted on 4/25/13 at 11:52 pm to
he seems to have swag so I'm good with the pick
Posted by FootballNostradamus
Member since Nov 2009
20509 posts
Posted on 4/25/13 at 11:59 pm to
Because all the elite defenses are built from the back up.

Our front still sux.
Posted by Mouth
Member since Jan 2008
23082 posts
Posted on 4/26/13 at 1:04 am to
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Danny McCray should have been first safety taken cuz he played nickle on a good defense.

Nice logic


Typical ranter. Comparing a former LSU player who plays on special teams.
Posted by landrywasbeast30
Member since Nov 2011
4904 posts
Posted on 4/26/13 at 2:29 am to
It's pretty interesting to see people start to realize and come to the conclusion of something I've been saying the whole time and was crapped on for pretty much.
Posted by DCBJR6
Madisonville, LA
Member since Jan 2011
4252 posts
Posted on 4/26/13 at 2:35 am to
Your OP was the most logical and level-minded post I've seen tonight...and for that
Posted by Sho Nuff
Oahu
Member since Feb 2009
14091 posts
Posted on 4/26/13 at 2:44 am to
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It's pretty interesting to see people start to realize and come to the conclusion of something I've been saying the whole time and was crapped on for pretty much.


And yet you wanted Jones.

I don't even know what you posted before to say this, but while you're giving yourself pats on the back, understand people are/were shocked they passed up on Jones just like you. Doesn't mean people don't think we need DB's or that Vaccaro will be no good. Just meant that Jones was the perfect player for the Saints and they passed him.
Posted by bonethug0108
Avondale
Member since Mar 2013
12690 posts
Posted on 4/26/13 at 2:46 am to
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Just meant that Jones was the perfect player for the Saints and they passed him.
Not according to the Saints, who had him rated much lower than Vacarro(though it wasn't said if it was due to injury concerns or just talent).
Posted by Sho Nuff
Oahu
Member since Feb 2009
14091 posts
Posted on 4/26/13 at 2:49 am to
Believe me, this is one of those times I hope I'm wrong. But I think Jones will beast. You can't possibly think the Saints couldn't have used that?

I'm just hoping Vaccaro works out better than the last few D players we've gotten in the first round outside of Jordan.
Posted by landrywasbeast30
Member since Nov 2011
4904 posts
Posted on 4/26/13 at 2:50 am to
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And yet you wanted Jones.


I always said he was a special talent and that Jones, and maybe Mingo, were the only guys I would take as OLB's.

quote:

I don't even know what you posted before to say this, but while you're giving yourself pats on the back, understand people are/were shocked they passed up on Jones just like you. Doesn't mean people don't think we need DB's or that Vaccaro will be no good. Just meant that Jones was the perfect player for the Saints and they passed him.


The point is, everyone b!tched and moaned when I said we didn't need anymore pass rushers. Now people are like, "eh, we have enough OLB's" lol. I only pat myself on the back when people act like jacka$$es, then come to the same conclusion that they had a problem with me about.
Posted by bonethug0108
Avondale
Member since Mar 2013
12690 posts
Posted on 4/26/13 at 2:51 am to
I won't bring that discussion in here outside of saying I think we have some beast pass rushing OLBs already. We disagree, I know.
Posted by Sho Nuff
Oahu
Member since Feb 2009
14091 posts
Posted on 4/26/13 at 2:57 am to
quote:

The point is, everyone b!tched and moaned when I said we didn't need anymore pass rushers. Now people are like, "eh, we have enough OLB's" lol. I only pat myself on the back when people act like jacka$$es, then come to the same conclusion that they had a problem with me about.

Not me. If people were bitching at you before about OLB's and needing them and now acting like they weren't, give em shite

For me, I am chapped we didn't get Jones, shocked I tell ya!

But I do hope Vaccaro makes me forget about him rather quickly.

Posted by Sho Nuff
Oahu
Member since Feb 2009
14091 posts
Posted on 4/26/13 at 3:00 am to
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I think we have some beast pass rushing OLBs already. We disagree, I know.

No, I didn't say we have shitty LB's or anything. But you and I are guessing if they will beast or not because we haven't seen full-time work out of them. Yes, I know Jones is a college player but he can get after the QB. I truly hope Butler/Galette/Wilson will be able to as well and Vaccaro pimps it out.

Time will tell, but I have this feeling at the end of this year, Jones is going to have a nice sack count.
Posted by bonethug0108
Avondale
Member since Mar 2013
12690 posts
Posted on 4/26/13 at 3:06 am to
I'm saying he'll have no more than 8(which is nice), but at least one of our guys will have 10+ and another with 7+. Partly because we have 3 speed rushers to split the sacks.
Posted by cssamerican
Member since Mar 2011
8220 posts
Posted on 4/26/13 at 6:41 am to
I heard Sean last night talking about KV playing the slot while having two safeties over the top. I sounded like we drafted a CB. Hell, we could have done that with MJ.

Plus, I think we reached for value. If safeties is what we wanted we could have traded back even for less than a second and picked up one if the top 4 safeties easily. We could of even traded back all the way to a high second and probably got one of the top 4 safeties in the draft.

I hope the guy turns into a baller, but as of now I don't like the pick.
Posted by SaintEB
Member since Jul 2008
23666 posts
Posted on 4/26/13 at 7:59 am to
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I think we reached for value. If safeties is what we wanted we could have traded back even for less than a second and picked up one if the top 4 safeties easily. We could of even traded back all the way to a high second and probably got one of the top 4 safeties in the draft.



I agree. I like that they went after safety, I just think it may have been the wrong time. If they could have slid back, picked up a 3rd, and still taken Elam (or even Vaccaro because the 9ers had Reid rated higher) that should have been the play. Obviously, Elam would have been available, so hindsight is 20/20 or whatever. I hope Vaccaro pans out, but Jones should have been at 15 or a trade back.
Posted by LSUisBetterthanU
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2007
781 posts
Posted on 4/26/13 at 8:01 am to
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We have enough Linebackers.


We have a ton of average/below average linebackers.
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