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re: Vikings beat reporter on how Minnesota slowed down the Saints offense
Posted on 4/24/20 at 3:11 pm to Lester Earl
Posted on 4/24/20 at 3:11 pm to Lester Earl
Warford isn’t even bad wtf saints going full retard
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Posted on 4/24/20 at 3:11 pm to WicKed WayZ
Not sure why they had to look at the Falcons game. The key to beating the Saints has ways been getting pressure on Brees. That only real way to do that is collapse the interior. This has been the way for over a decade now, but the Saints are usually so good at OG/C.
You can look back at the 49ers game, too.
Hell, you can go back to the Rams playoff loss.
You can look back at the 49ers game, too.
Hell, you can go back to the Rams playoff loss.
Posted on 4/24/20 at 3:12 pm to MLU
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Not sure why they had to look at the Falcons game. The key to beating the Saints has ways been getting pressure on Brees. That only real way to do that is collapse the interior
Shhhhh don’t let the secret it out
15yrs later & people think the Vikings just invented this game plan lol
Posted on 4/24/20 at 3:13 pm to PuddinheadSr
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Most questionable PFF position grades are those for offensive linemen,
I think PFF quantifies OL better than any other measure tbh. There is no perfect measure
People think Peat suck - well, PFF reflects that. People think armstead and Ram are elite T when healthy, PFF reflects that. People think Warford is declining in play, PFF reflects that. People thought unger was declining, PFF reflected that. PFF was huge on McCoy being possibly the best C in the league, id say he’s on his way there
People are using PFF to puff Ruiz in other threads but dismissing it here
it’s always convenient when it supports your argument, but PFF has a lot of eyes on each play and has no bias
Posted on 4/24/20 at 3:14 pm to GynoSandberg
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Vkings watched how Falcons slowed Drew Brees and Saints, according to Danielle Hunter, and they decided to attack interior OL because of strength of both Saints tackles.
They ran multiple stunts inside and lined up over the guards more than a few times. Not saying those were the times the sacks happened, but it’s widely noted they lined up over the guards frequently that game. That can’t be denied.
So yes their DE’s wrecked our OL but it wasn’t just Ram and Armstead. It was pretty much everyone but McCoy. Acting like Warford didn’t play a part in that loss is just creating an argument for the sake or arguing. And picking out one game where Ram and Armstead struggled is one thing. We can point to plenty of games where Warford struggled. And clearly the head coach thinks so too
Posted on 4/24/20 at 3:16 pm to GynoSandberg
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People are using PFF to puff Ruiz in other threads but dismissing it here it’s always convenient when it supports your argument, but PFF has a lot of eyes on each play and has no bias
The thing I posted from PFF was a fricking stat. Had no fricking grade to it. It simply stated out of nearly 900 snaps Ruiz had given up like 20 pressures in pass pro.
That’s not a grade. That’s not bias. Just stats
Posted on 4/24/20 at 3:17 pm to WicKed WayZ
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simply stated out of nearly 900 snaps Ruiz had given up like 20 pressures in pass pro.
That’s not a grade. That’s not bias. Just stats
How do you think you come up with grades?
Posted on 4/24/20 at 3:18 pm to GynoSandberg
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People think Peat suck - well, PFF reflects that. People think armstead and Ram are elite T when healthy, PFF reflects that. People think Warford is declining in play, PFF reflects that. People thought unger was declining, PFF reflected that. PFF was huge on McCoy being possibly the best C in the league, id say he’s on his way there
The coaches think differently on Warford. I don’t see how that’s hard to understand. The same coaches who drafted all of those players. Who drafted Kamara and Thomas and all the studs on this team. They lost faith in Warford. Don’t see how that’s hard to understand
Posted on 4/24/20 at 3:19 pm to Lester Earl
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How do you think you come up with grades?
There’s more that goes into their grades than stats but sure Lester. Keep being a dumbass
Kamara had pedestrian stats compared to previous years and still graded out fairly well
This post was edited on 4/24/20 at 3:20 pm
Posted on 4/24/20 at 3:21 pm to GynoSandberg
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I was at the game. My belief during that game and after was that the interior got abused.
You are either being dishonest or blind. Anyone that watched saw who wrecked that game.
The saints only ran 54 plays, and Hunter and Griffin combined had
8 tackles
3 sacks
3 TFL
6 QB hits
1 PD
The duo affected 39% of our offensive snaps
Both can be true.
I was at the game as well and came away with the distinct impression that we were totally unable to account for Viking stunts on the D line, and that much of the Griffin and Hunter pressure came inside as the DTs attempted (successfully) to occupy our linemen.
Posted on 4/24/20 at 3:22 pm to WicKed WayZ
Pressures are just as subjective as most of the info they gather to grade offensive linemen.
If you’re standing on the table for that, you’re standing on the table for all of it
If you’re standing on the table for that, you’re standing on the table for all of it
Posted on 4/24/20 at 3:24 pm to Lester Earl
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Pressures: QB pressures (hurries + knockdowns + sack plays). Note that "sack plays" in this instance include both sacks and assists.
Posted on 4/24/20 at 3:27 pm to GynoSandberg
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has no bias
Someone can have no bias and just not have a system that provides consistent and accurate results. I find this to be the case with PFF's offensive line scoring. You clearly disagree.
Posted on 4/24/20 at 3:31 pm to Lester Earl
Just answer me one thing: do you think Ruiz, as a player, is better than Warford?
We can disagree and keep measuring dicks all the day long. I just want to know how you feel about the player, not the pick
We can disagree and keep measuring dicks all the day long. I just want to know how you feel about the player, not the pick
This post was edited on 4/24/20 at 3:33 pm
Posted on 4/24/20 at 3:33 pm to PuddinheadSr
I agree with you. Both can be true. I do not believe anyone played well day
I got the All 22 of the game pulled up and the play by play breakdown from PFF. Griffen and Hunters pressure comes from outside the tackles. It’s not all Ram and Arm as they beat Josh Hill on a play and Warford on a play where Warford stunts and goes outside to take on the rush
If you want to see interior pressure affect a game, watch the Atlanta, SF and LAR replays
I got the All 22 of the game pulled up and the play by play breakdown from PFF. Griffen and Hunters pressure comes from outside the tackles. It’s not all Ram and Arm as they beat Josh Hill on a play and Warford on a play where Warford stunts and goes outside to take on the rush
If you want to see interior pressure affect a game, watch the Atlanta, SF and LAR replays
Posted on 4/24/20 at 3:37 pm to WicKed WayZ
The player is fine. I don’t know if he is better than Watford right now. Doesn’t really matter,
Posted on 4/24/20 at 3:38 pm to PuddinheadSr
Is there a better measure out there for OL play? With respect, I have to defer to PFF over posters on Saints talk. There are more ridiculous people here than rational.
The way PFF scores OL is very thorough. For me, I like to watch the games. You say, “oh this guy looks good, wonder what the metrics say” and then corroborate the play with the numbers. It either tells you you’re wrong or may be on to something
The way PFF scores OL is very thorough. For me, I like to watch the games. You say, “oh this guy looks good, wonder what the metrics say” and then corroborate the play with the numbers. It either tells you you’re wrong or may be on to something
Posted on 4/24/20 at 3:39 pm to GynoSandberg
I like following guys like Duke Mayweather and Brandon Thorn on Twitter regarding OL play, fwiw
Posted on 4/24/20 at 3:42 pm to Lester Earl
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Doesn’t really matter
It kind of does. If he gives us what McCoy gave us as a rookie, could keep Brees a little cleaner
Posted on 4/24/20 at 3:47 pm to DBG
Manyweather is good from a technical standpoint but he doesn’t really grade OL per say
Thorn thinks Peat is a top 10 guard in the league
Baldinger breaks down OL better than those two I think. Matter of fact he had one on Griffen and Hunter abusing the saints, let me see if I can find
Geoff Schwartz is pretty good
Thorn thinks Peat is a top 10 guard in the league
Baldinger breaks down OL better than those two I think. Matter of fact he had one on Griffen and Hunter abusing the saints, let me see if I can find
Geoff Schwartz is pretty good
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