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Posted on 4/12/16 at 10:51 am to Chad504boy
Let's get a map and some crayons for the brain dead in here.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 10:51 am to moneyg
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First, was there a reason for the Hummer to stop? The video doesn't show that one way or another.
Yes it does if you watch all of it.
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Second, did the Hummer brake abruptly or abnormally. I'd say definitely no. In fact, the Hummer is still slowly inching forward when it is hit.
I don't agree with you. Stopping that short of the intersection was definitely abnormal, and I think there was more braking force than necessary given what the video shows. There was no reason to stop in front of Juans.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 10:51 am to Chad504boy
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do you not fricking understand where Hayes stopped at was at least 200 ft from light.
Chad, i know this is a novel concept, but the first car to reach the light isn't the only one that has to stop.
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There were no imminent cars in front of Hayes causing him to stop how he did.
video obtained by Fox news WVUE TV says that you are incorrect, chadboy.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 10:52 am to Lester Earl
I didn't see any cars in front of the hummer.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 10:52 am to Fun Bunch
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Where's that video
My guess is if it exists it's evidence now. The video in the OP is tough to really gauge because that's pretty far back from the actual intersection. That means there would've had to been may 4 or 5 cars in front of Hayes when he stops where he does. Then, they all would've had to haul arse through that light to not be on the 2nd part of that video. This is all pointing to road rage gone horribly wrong at this point.
My theory is they were probably in a little brake checking feud for a few blocks and then Smith eventaully ends up bumping him and driving off. Hayes chases him down and there's another red light up Sophie B. Wright. Smith steps out of the car and so does Hayes. Smith realizes Hayes is a big ole boy so threatens that he has a gun in his car. Hayes has his gun on him and as soon as Smith turns around towards his car Hayes unloads on him thinking he was going for a gun. He may have been turning around to calm his wife down or he could've been reaching for his gun. We'll have to wait until the trial to see all the details.
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Posted on 4/12/16 at 10:52 am to Lester Earl
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video obtained by Fox news WVUE TV says that you are incorrect, chadboy.
Keep clinging to your dream.Posted on 4/12/16 at 10:53 am to Mystery
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quote: Keeble9145 Lester's alter. That is what I was thinking.
Good lord lmao. Please go look at my past posts, nothing even remotely confrontational. You guys are doing a whole lot of assuming and ignoring a lot of facts that look bad on Will because he played for the saints lol. I never once said that Hayes was innocent and right for doing what he did but don't act like Smith was some kind of angel in this case.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 10:53 am to Keeble9145
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You guys are doing a whole lot of assuming
This is especially funny coming from you.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 10:54 am to Lester Earl
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video obtained by Fox news WVUE TV says that you are incorrect, chadboy.
statement clearly says at light was a car, hayes clearly wasn't by the light and clearly had a lengthy approach in front of him with no cars.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 10:54 am to Keeble9145
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Please go look at my past posts, nothing even remotely confrontational.
people only get confrontational when their narrative does not fall in line with the facts. I know this is a Saints message board, but damn.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 10:54 am to LNCHBOX
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This is especially funny coming from you.
State one thing that I have said that wasn't reported...i'll wait
Posted on 4/12/16 at 10:55 am to Lester Earl
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people only get confrontational when their narrative does not fall in line with the fact
Like yours?
Posted on 4/12/16 at 10:55 am to BRgetthenet
quote:at none of the stops as well. One stop he stays for a lengthy period, when he brake checked he made sure he was closer to middle of street as well. fricking erratic driving for sure.
I didn't see any cars in front of the hummer.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 10:56 am to Keeble9145
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State one thing that I have said that wasn't reported...i'll wait
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You realize it was Smith that told that to Hayes right?
Posted on 4/12/16 at 10:57 am to Lester Earl
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Once the hit and run happened, there are no cars at the light because the light turned green.
The Hummer braked directly in front of Juan's. It took about 5 seconds of video (with no car visible in front of Hummer) before Will Smith's vehicle hit the hummer.
There was no vehicle directly in front of him AT THAT TIME to cause him to suddenly apply the brakes.
It only takes 4.6 seconds to go from 60 to 0 mph with 271 feet required to stop. I don't know the speed limit on Magazine Street but my guess is 30-35 mph. That would make stopping time approximately 1/2 of the above number.
Is it not possible that Hayes was driving while impaired and applied his brakes too soon or suddenly? What was he doing and where was he prior to the first accident? Hayes' address of record is in N.O. East. At least that is what is listed with the LA Secretary of State on his pitbull business. Why was he on Magazine Street? Why wasn't he at the strip clubs on Downman Road?
Hayes stopped abruptly. There's no question about that.
There's also no question that you and Jones are sniffing each other's jock straps.
This post was edited on 4/12/16 at 10:58 am
Posted on 4/12/16 at 10:57 am to Chad504boy
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statement clearly says at light was a car, hayes clearly wasn't by the light and clearly had a lengthy approach in front of him with no cars.
the tweet says:
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another camera angle shows cars in front of red Hummer stopped at the light
in other words, there were cars(plural) at the red light(red means stop) in front of Hayes Hummer.
This isnt some sort of cryptic tweet. Pretty cut and dry.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 10:58 am to Lester Earl
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Posted on 4/12/16 at 10:58 am to Lester Earl
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n other words, there were cars(plural) at the red light(red means stop) in front of Hayes Hummer.
This isnt some sort of cryptic tweet. Pretty cut and dry.
What's hard to believe is Fox didn't leak this video yet.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 10:59 am to Lester Earl
Ultimately, it will be up to a judge and a jury to determine whether Hayes acted in self-defense under Louisiana's stand your ground laws.
However, it looks like a very strong likelihood that Hayes intentionally followed and rear-ended Smith after the initial hit and run. Intentionally hitting another car is being going to appear to most people as being the aggressor of the situation. That generally is going to hurt any self-defense argument.
However, it looks like a very strong likelihood that Hayes intentionally followed and rear-ended Smith after the initial hit and run. Intentionally hitting another car is being going to appear to most people as being the aggressor of the situation. That generally is going to hurt any self-defense argument.
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