re: Victor Cruz WR rankings

MT has a substantially better QB in a substantially better offense with a different role than ME.

Trying to point to comp % and YAC as evidence that MT is better is just silly.

You’re dismissing ME like it’s not even a question. I’m not sure what else to say.

Hopkins at 3 is not high.
just watch what Hopkins does this year after another year with Watson.
and Mike Evans is overrated . he quits in games and is a baby bitch.

I know it may be the P&G glasses, but I really think being reunited with Landry is going to help settle OBJ back down.

His catch % was incredible, but you can’t ignore the types of passes he’s being targeted on. He’s a slot receiver and his air yards per target shows that.

MT average targeted air yards at 7.7 isn’t in the top 100. ME at 15.7 is 8th.

ME and MT are two completely different receivers in very different systems. Pointing to catch % as evidence that MT is better is silly.

As for YAC, MT was 4.1yac per reception. ME was 3.8. So that’s a wash.

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not a GM in the country would take Evans over Michael Thomas.

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There are people who think Thomas is a product of Brees. So there are probably gms who think the same.

Meh, top 5 looks solid. I would have Thomas at 5 over Mike Evans, but that’s just me. Really strong group!

I think Michael Thomas is a top 5 TALENT regardless of who’s throwing him the ball, but you have to remember what those other guys have been able to do with Jameis Winston, Eli Manning and whoever got the week-to-week start in Houston before Watson.

He’s a clown but he’s very good at running and catching footballs.

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If you have watched any bucs games over the last few years, which I am assuming you have, he drops at least 2 balls every game.

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As for the catch rate, what do you contribute that to? Could it possibly be because of the QB and system he’s in?

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There is a lot more information in the links but when looking at catching the ball, what they are paid to do, MT is much better.

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If you want to boil it down to generic statements like that, I think it’s a more accurate statement to say that WRs are paid to gets yards and score TDs. Mike Evans has been better at that, no?

I looked at them earlier but not in much detail.

ME's true catch rate is 81.9%.
MT's true catch rate is 89.3%. Not as drastic as you made it seem.

ME had 4 more dropped passes last year.

Those 4 extra dropped passes and 8% lower catch rate = Michael Thomas is much better?

I still think you can't ignore the offense and what they're asked to do.

MT's average depth of target is 7.7 yards.
ME's average depth of target is 15.7 yards. More than double MT's. At that depth of target and with Brees throwing to him, he should have a better catch rate.

And are we glossing over that MT's catchable target rate is 95%, compared to 75% for ME.

I don't think anyone will argue that ME has better hands, but that's not the deciding factor in whose a better WR.

ETA: And as long as we’re nitpicking, you cited their actual catch rates (which is just catches / targets), not any efficiency data or fancy metric.

Let’s do a little hypothetical. Put Michael Thomas on the Bucs with Jameis and Fitzpatrick and bump his average depth of target up to 15.7 yards (same as 2018 Mike Evans). How far do you think that vaunted 89% true catch percentage falls? Or maybe it goes up?