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re: Thread Hijacked!!! Now it's "'Bush: hater or lover' "

Posted on 3/30/10 at 4:08 pm to
Posted by Mouth
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 3/30/10 at 4:08 pm to
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Bush can't carry Percy Harvin's jock.


shhh. quiet down!

Percy is taking a nap, he has a headache.
Posted by goatmilker
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Posted on 3/30/10 at 5:43 pm to
Posted by swagsurfin7
Founder of the Alex Morgan Fan Club
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 3/30/10 at 6:36 pm to
quote:

Bush can't carry Percy Harvin's jock.


good one
This post was edited on 3/30/10 at 6:37 pm
Posted by jacks40
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2007
11877 posts
Posted on 3/30/10 at 8:11 pm to
Going to go ahead and throw myself in the fire.

Bush is overpaid. I'm not "mad at him" for it just making a statement.

He is also not our #1 option for making a first down. Brees arm is the #1 option. Also Paytons offensive scheme is not dependent on the abilities of one or two skill players. Our best option for a first down(outside of brees) is dependent on down distance and what the defense shows.

Payton never sends Brees out with one option. Look at how we spread the ball around. The open man is the best person to get a first down.

Reggie is a good player but nothing more. You people that hype him up with this he is triple covered bullshite are worse for him than the haters. That type of shite creates unrealistic expexctations and when Bush tries to live up to that shite he is at his worse.

ETA: I like Reggie, have his jersey, chant Reggie at all the games when he goes back to return punts etc. Just think some of you have gone to the extreme in terms of defending him from his detractors.
This post was edited on 3/30/10 at 8:20 pm
Posted by mjt8364
The Flats
Member since Dec 2009
499 posts
Posted on 3/30/10 at 9:55 pm to
if we didnt have reggie..then some other team would..and he would come back to bite us in our arse with some electrifying plays!! stop hating on our playmaker!!
Posted by jacks40
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 3/30/10 at 9:56 pm to
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mjt8364


saintard
Posted by AlejandroInHouston
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2007
18776 posts
Posted on 3/30/10 at 10:07 pm to
It's so funny/ironic that in 2006 when I bought my

"FINALLY. A BUSH WE CAN ALL AGREE ON" tshirt

it turned out that Reggie Bush has probably turned out to be more debated and controversial in New Orleans than George W. Bush was .

Posted by LSUTANGERINE
Baton Rouge LA
Member since Sep 2006
36113 posts
Posted on 3/30/10 at 10:10 pm to
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he is NOT the number one threat for the Saints to get a first down or TD


Really? Including all regular season and payoff games, he led the team in TD's
This post was edited on 3/30/10 at 10:13 pm
Posted by tiger73
texas
Member since Jan 2007
1685 posts
Posted on 3/30/10 at 10:56 pm to
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You people that hype him up with this he is triple covered bullshite are worse for him than the haters. That type of shite creates unrealistic expexctations and when Bush tries to live up to that shite he is at his worse.


I dont think anyone said he gets triple covered. But when we play action to him the defense does flow his way. Just look at the clips.
Posted by jacks40
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2007
11877 posts
Posted on 3/30/10 at 11:09 pm to
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Look at the clips


Clips aren't games they are highlights put together.

And it was said earlier that there were multiple clips of Reggie being covered by 2 or 3 players.

I don't deny that it happens or that the defense flows to him sometimes but that isn't par for the course. defenses are game planned to stop our passing game, which Reggie is a part of but only a cog in the machine.
Posted by jacks40
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 3/30/10 at 11:14 pm to
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led the team in TD's


not the same as being the #1 threat. The #1 threat is our passing game, which Drew and Payton concentrate on finding the mismatch and the open man. The Saints offense is so effective bc just if you shut down one guy, the offense can still score. The philosphy and scheme of the system are the #1 threats on this team. (outside of Brees arm)
Posted by LSUFreek
Greater New Orleans
Member since Jan 2007
14814 posts
Posted on 3/31/10 at 1:28 am to
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And it was said earlier that there were multiple clips of Reggie being covered by 2 or 3 players.


I said that, and the play-action flow is exactly that: multiple players going to "cover" Reggie, even if it is only for a second or two.

Of course, it's not their only assignment. I don't recall anybody in the NFL ever getting true triple coverage. But quite often multiple players are fooled by misdirection into going to "cover" the ball which they thought was going to our most electric player.

I'm telling you, I really need to buckle down and find the time to edit clips of Reggie without the ball in every game, and I guarantee you he has had a hand in 20+ TD's that went to other players. That's not counting first down pickups made by our WR's because a safety or CB hesitated for a second when Bush does a wheel route out the backfield.

You could argue that that's just the design of the play and not because of Reggie, but I contend it most definitely is the result of Reggie being on the field. For example, when Heath Evans would do a wheel route or get a swing pass, he was usually wide open because CB's may not hesitate and let the LB go cover the route (which the LB ends up chasing cuz Heath is quicker than they think). But when it's Reggie, suddenly small windows for WR routes are open 15 yds downfield cuz, say, a safety hesitated for a half-second by looking at Reggie instead of focusing on covering the WR route tighter. That's par for the course.
Posted by jacks40
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2007
11877 posts
Posted on 3/31/10 at 1:44 am to
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he has had a hand in 20+ TD's that went to other players


You can say that on almost any given TD play.

From Drew Brees looking off the coverage, to the oline doing it's job(and extra sometimes example Vikings game PTs screen pass TD, Evans got a block on 2 Vikings) WRs blocking downfield, etc etc.

Trying to single out Reggie as the only person that does this on the team is more of a slap in the face of other players who also do these things.

I know that is not how u or anyone in this thread means it, but to me that is how it comes off.

I mean how many times with Meachem and Henderson on the field are the safeties playing deep and Shockeys got a LB lined up on him to give Reggie and PT more room in the box? Just as many times as Reggie has drawn coverage away from other players.

Posted by Nawlens Gator
louisiana
Member since Sep 2005
5850 posts
Posted on 3/31/10 at 11:24 am to

Let's see. If Bush is on the field and the Saints score, it's because of Bush. Next he'll be credited if he's on the sidelines because the defense is so confused.

Good grief.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
425837 posts
Posted on 3/31/10 at 11:46 am to
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I'm telling you, I really need to buckle down and find the time to edit clips of Reggie without the ball in every game, and I guarantee you he has had a hand in 20+ TD's that went to other players.

and i guarantee you other players have had impacts that led to 20+ TDs for others also

and there are plenty of other hybrid RB-WRs in the NFL who pose the same threat who actually produce a great bit on the field
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
425837 posts
Posted on 3/31/10 at 11:47 am to
quote:

If Bush is on the field and the Saints score, it's because of Bush. Next he'll be credited if he's on the sidelines because the defense is so confused.

yeah i still have yet to hear how our offense doesn't tank when bush is out injured

the stats say it isn't any major drop off (if it is any drop off) when he's out
Posted by dyslexiateechur
Louisiana
Member since Jan 2009
32407 posts
Posted on 3/31/10 at 2:26 pm to
Jesus, Bush isn't the best around, but he works well within our Offense IMO, and since we have the #1 offense, I think the stats back up my statement.
Posted by whodatfan
Member since Mar 2008
21349 posts
Posted on 3/31/10 at 2:32 pm to
quote:

SlowFlowPro


jobless td.com lifer, or lifeless td.com jobber?
Posted by LSUFreek
Greater New Orleans
Member since Jan 2007
14814 posts
Posted on 3/31/10 at 6:18 pm to
quote:

and there are plenty of other hybrid RB-WRs in the NFL who pose the same threat who actually produce a great bit on the field


Produce a great bit, huh?

Let's see, promising WR/RB hybrid Percy Harvin had a combined total of 925 yds rushing/rec with an unheard of 6 TD's .

Another veteran hybrid, Kevin Faulk, had 636 combined rush/rec yds and an amazing 3 TD's .

Reggie Bush had a combined total of 725 yds rush/rec with a mere 8 TD's. What a slacker!

(Note to self: Wear gloves next time. Handing too many people their asses lately.)



But my whole point about taking the time to edit the clips is for the Reggie stats that don't show up on TD's where he's the direct cause:

There should be an ASSIST category in the NFL like the NBA has

It's a thing of beauty. Not only do the LB's and safety bite, but the corner does as well. That's two TD's Colston owes Bush (counting the Philly clip I linked earlier) which gives Bush 10 TD's rush/rec/assist for the season in my book.

So far.

Posted by LSUCanFAN
In the past
Member since Jan 2009
28073 posts
Posted on 3/31/10 at 6:31 pm to
Big fan of Bush, but i'm old school like that.
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