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The most powerful and critical thing about an official's botched call.
Posted on 11/25/19 at 10:47 am
Posted on 11/25/19 at 10:47 am
First off, let's start calling this for what it is, BOTCHED calls. Either with or without intent. The NFL has replay and we all get to see, first hand, if calls were mistakes. Also, there are glaring examples around the league. I will make the statement that I think this is a league problem that has an effect on several teams and not a conspiracy against the Saints.
Now, with that said, pay attention to when these calls are being corrected/not corrected. The only time I've witnessed a call being changed, is when it severely impacts the outcome of a game. Example, calls are only being corrected in the last few minutes of a game. We saw this yesterday in the Carolina game. This is all by design. By not making the right change early, it does not have a huge impact on the outcome. But, it does have the critical psychological effect on one team. This effect is even greater when officials choose to overturn a call, either way, when it will have the greatest impact on the outcome.
The psychological aspect of this is where NFL officials hide behind. That's the "out" that the NFL has created to keep a tight grip on not losing credibility in officiating. Something that has seemed to backfire.
What we witnessed yesterday is that it didn't work in the Saints/Carolina game. The NFL does not have the power to remove the human element from the game. The Saints D was HUGE and thank goodness for kickers that choke. I'm sure there are some unhappy NFL elites because of the outcome in the Saints/Carolina game.
Now, with that said, pay attention to when these calls are being corrected/not corrected. The only time I've witnessed a call being changed, is when it severely impacts the outcome of a game. Example, calls are only being corrected in the last few minutes of a game. We saw this yesterday in the Carolina game. This is all by design. By not making the right change early, it does not have a huge impact on the outcome. But, it does have the critical psychological effect on one team. This effect is even greater when officials choose to overturn a call, either way, when it will have the greatest impact on the outcome.
The psychological aspect of this is where NFL officials hide behind. That's the "out" that the NFL has created to keep a tight grip on not losing credibility in officiating. Something that has seemed to backfire.
What we witnessed yesterday is that it didn't work in the Saints/Carolina game. The NFL does not have the power to remove the human element from the game. The Saints D was HUGE and thank goodness for kickers that choke. I'm sure there are some unhappy NFL elites because of the outcome in the Saints/Carolina game.
This post was edited on 11/26/19 at 9:54 am
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Posted on 11/25/19 at 10:59 am to MsGulfCoastTigerFan
Another thing that needs to be changed. If you win a challenge, you should be able to keep it. You shouldn't have to win 2 to get the 1 more. Frankly, they frick up the reviews so much that that type of standard is absurd.
This post was edited on 11/25/19 at 11:02 am
Posted on 11/25/19 at 11:14 am to Chad504boy
Another thing that needs to be changed. If you win a challenge, you should be able to keep it. You shouldn't have to win 2 to get the 1 more. Frankly, they frick up the reviews so much that that type of standard is absurd.
i'll go one better and say make it based on the time outs you have, you get 3 reviews per half as long as you have a time out, you win you keep your time out
officiating is getting worse and not better so why limit your chances of asking for bad calls to be corrected?
i'll go one better and say make it based on the time outs you have, you get 3 reviews per half as long as you have a time out, you win you keep your time out
officiating is getting worse and not better so why limit your chances of asking for bad calls to be corrected?
Posted on 11/25/19 at 11:25 am to Chad504boy
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Another thing that needs to be changed. If you win a challenge, you should be able to keep it. You shouldn't have to win 2 to get the 1 more. Frankly, they frick up the reviews so much that that type of standard is absurd.
This is by design Chad50boy. The NFL has a paid analyst, on the broadcast, to explain/interpret the challenged call. Listen very carefully to what he says. It's talking points and not at all what is plain to the human eye. If the call is in the first Qtr, he always makes the argument that it will not be overturned because in real time, it's so hard to judge. Conversely, when it's in the last few minutes of a game, that same analyst is stating the call/no call is pretty obvious and should be overturned. This is an NFL paid analyst that is there for one reason, to give the elusion that the RIGHT call is being made.
This post was edited on 11/25/19 at 11:27 am
Posted on 11/25/19 at 12:02 pm to MsGulfCoastTigerFan
This is an NFL paid analyst that is there for one reason, to give the elusion that the RIGHT call is being made.
In a nutshell.
In a nutshell.
Posted on 11/25/19 at 12:07 pm to MsGulfCoastTigerFan
I'm not on board with a massive conspiracy to rig games via calls but I will say that it seems pretty obvious that the Refs hate the new rule and have no intention of using it to make the correct call. They're basically using a version of jury nullification to make the rule irrelevant. And in yesterday's case, it seemed like they finally got a chance to send a message to the team most directly responsible for the new rule they hate, and took it.
They need to kick the decision up to a committee in New York. Asking the refs to police themselves is like asking the bank robber to decide what his punishment should be. That is, if the NFL is serious about this new rule, which it does not seem like they are.
They need to kick the decision up to a committee in New York. Asking the refs to police themselves is like asking the bank robber to decide what his punishment should be. That is, if the NFL is serious about this new rule, which it does not seem like they are.
Posted on 11/25/19 at 12:37 pm to Laaz2750
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I'm not on board with a massive conspiracy to rig games via calls but I will say that it seems pretty obvious that the Refs hate the new rule and have no intention of using it to make the correct call. They're basically using a version of jury nullification to make the rule irrelevant. And in yesterday's case, it seemed like they finally got a chance to send a message to the team most directly responsible for the new rule they hate, and took it.
If the NFL was very concerned about what the root cause of this was, the botched call in the NFCCG last year, the new rule would be way different. The rule should only be enforceable in the last 5 minutes of a game. This would not make it the shite show that it is now(all by design my I add). It would limit questioning the refs calls. At best, you would see one or two challenges concerning PI calls in a game.
Posted on 11/25/19 at 12:37 pm to Laaz2750
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I'm not on board with a massive conspiracy to rig games via calls but I will say that it seems pretty obvious that the Refs hate the new rule and have no intention of using it to make the correct call. They're basically using a version of jury nullification to make the rule irrelevant. And in yesterday's case, it seemed like they finally got a chance to send a message to the team most directly responsible for the new rule they hate, and took it.
If the NFL was very concerned about what the root cause of this was, the botched call in the NFCCG last year, the new rule would be way different. The rule should only be enforceable in the last 5 minutes of a game. This would not make it the shite show that it is now(all by design my I add). It would limit questioning the refs calls. At best, you would see one or two challenges concerning PI calls in a game.
Also, coaches would not be so eager to throw the challenge flag till it is absolutely necessary. They would definitely not challenge calls early and waste it for a potential PI call late in the game. This would speed up the game. That's a win win.
This post was edited on 11/25/19 at 12:50 pm
Posted on 11/25/19 at 12:43 pm to Chad504boy
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Another thing that needs to be changed. If you win a challenge, you should be able to keep it. You shouldn't have to win 2 to get the 1 more. Frankly, they frick up the reviews so much that that type of standard is absurd.
Exactly how tennis is. I don't understand why they don't adopt the same idea. What's more sad though is regardless of how good or bad these officials are, there's absolutely no accountability of how good or bad they are.
This post was edited on 11/25/19 at 12:44 pm
Posted on 11/25/19 at 5:22 pm to Chad504boy
Absolutely agree. By getting it wrong you are penalized enough by the loss of a timeout. I think you only should lose something if your wrong.
Posted on 11/26/19 at 9:18 am to MsGulfCoastTigerFan
I have nothing to add other than to say that the NFL itself is to blame for the controversy. The NFL is 100 seasons old and has yet to find a way to apply its own rules consistently and accurately on a game-by-game and even play-by-play basis. Because of their own failure, they created an environment in which reasonable fans justifiably question the Refs intent to affect the outcome of some football games.
The Fans did not create this environment and situation. The NFL itself created this. As such, I do question whether or not the NFL, for business reasons, does indeed attempt to use Refs to manipulate the outcome of some games. I don't have proof that they do. However, there is enough that we have seen to indeed raise the question as a reasonable fan.
And as for watching the NFL product itself -- the best way is to put the game on DVR with about a 45 minute delay so that one can fast forward through the myriad penalties and play stoppages and commercials. I've gotten into the habit of not cheering the result of ANY play until I've checked for a Flag on the Play.
The Fans did not create this environment and situation. The NFL itself created this. As such, I do question whether or not the NFL, for business reasons, does indeed attempt to use Refs to manipulate the outcome of some games. I don't have proof that they do. However, there is enough that we have seen to indeed raise the question as a reasonable fan.
And as for watching the NFL product itself -- the best way is to put the game on DVR with about a 45 minute delay so that one can fast forward through the myriad penalties and play stoppages and commercials. I've gotten into the habit of not cheering the result of ANY play until I've checked for a Flag on the Play.
Posted on 11/26/19 at 9:29 am to keakar
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i'll go one better and say make it based on the time outs you have, you get 3 reviews per half as long as you have a time out, you win you keep your time out
The concern I would have is coaches would just start throwing challenge flags instead of just calling TOs. Especially right before the 2 minute warning.
Posted on 11/26/19 at 9:31 am to MsGulfCoastTigerFan
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the new rule would be way different
Exactly, they would make helmet-to-helmet a reviewable play. Keeps the subjective calls from being under a microscope, solves the issue with the blown call, and can argue the player safety bullshiff.
Posted on 11/26/19 at 9:37 am to Champagne
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Champagne
Well stated.
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