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re: The math has spoken: Jameis is better than Dalton
Posted on 10/16/22 at 10:53 pm to Townedrunkard
Posted on 10/16/22 at 10:53 pm to Townedrunkard
Dalton will look a lot better when he gets to play with all the stud WR’s Jameis had.
Jameis is a regressing functional retard who steals crab legs and thinks eating his fingers is funny. He’s a bad look for this franchise.
Jameis is a regressing functional retard who steals crab legs and thinks eating his fingers is funny. He’s a bad look for this franchise.
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Posted on 10/16/22 at 11:02 pm to Townedrunkard
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Both started 3 games.
Dalton healthy for all 3. Jameis for one. Same w-l record.
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One qb has had by far better starters than the other in those three games.
One qb got to play one of the worst scoring defenses in the league. Jameis did not.
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Yet the offense only averaged 17 a game with those healthy skill players.
There was a game were Kamara was out for jameis. Another where Mike hurt his foot. To act like the wr today didn't make plays for dalton today is foolish.
I'm sorry that you have to use surface level team stats like ppg to help your bad argument. Taysom was used far more with andy than jameis. There is a reason why. The saints are trying to hide the qb with Dalton.
You need a better argument.
This post was edited on 10/16/22 at 11:05 pm
Posted on 10/16/22 at 11:05 pm to whatiknowsofar
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You need a better argument.
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whatiknowsofar
Ironic.
Posted on 10/16/22 at 11:10 pm to RB10
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RB10
You have brought nothing to this discussion. If you have evidence of Dalton being better than jameis when he's healthy outside of team statistics then please present them.
Posted on 10/16/22 at 11:20 pm to whatiknowsofar
Rating
Dalton: 98.5
Winston: 79.5
QBR:
Dalton: 47
Winston: 33.5
Yards per attempt:
Dalton: 8.1
Winston: 7.5
TD/INT Ratio:
Dalton: 2:1
Winston 4:5
Completion %:
Dalton: 69.5%
Winston: 63.5%
The offense is actually more creative, and less volatile, with Dalton. He takes enough deep shots to keep the defense honest, but isn’t out there winging it like Jameis does. He’s actually efficient.
Also, Payton isn’t here to keep Jameis’ terrible habits under wraps anymore. He’s a bad quarterback.
Dalton: 98.5
Winston: 79.5
QBR:
Dalton: 47
Winston: 33.5
Yards per attempt:
Dalton: 8.1
Winston: 7.5
TD/INT Ratio:
Dalton: 2:1
Winston 4:5
Completion %:
Dalton: 69.5%
Winston: 63.5%
The offense is actually more creative, and less volatile, with Dalton. He takes enough deep shots to keep the defense honest, but isn’t out there winging it like Jameis does. He’s actually efficient.
Also, Payton isn’t here to keep Jameis’ terrible habits under wraps anymore. He’s a bad quarterback.
This post was edited on 10/16/22 at 11:23 pm
Posted on 10/16/22 at 11:54 pm to RB10
Now do the game were jameis didn't play hurt
Edit: those stats don't even reflect daltons 3rd game.
Edit: those stats don't even reflect daltons 3rd game.
This post was edited on 10/16/22 at 11:56 pm
Posted on 10/16/22 at 11:59 pm to whatiknowsofar
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Now do the game were jameis didn't play hurt
Talking about bringing nothing to the discussion. You asked for one thing that points to Dalton being better outside of team stats. I brought 5 things.
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Edit: those stats don't even reflect daltons 3rd game.
Every stat remains better than Winston’s. So, what’s your point?
Posted on 10/17/22 at 12:14 am to Townedrunkard
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One qb has had by far better starters than the other in those three games. Yet the offense only averaged 17 a game with those healthy skill players. The offense has averaged 30 with the red rocket. No statistics you can muster up compares to the offense putting up almost double unless you are just really stupid or don’t understand math….
Yet you’re ignoring that one guy had 4 fractures in his back and our all pro running back out for most of his starts. The same running back that has accounted for most of our offense the last few weeks.
Maybe let Jameis get healthy with a healthy kamara.
Posted on 10/17/22 at 12:32 am to whatiknowsofar
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To act like the wr today didn't make plays for dalton today is foolish
To act like the receivers being trotted out today are on the same level to what Jameis had for three games is a joke. So what if MT got hurt at the end of one game. He had all three for most of three games.
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I'm sorry that you have to use surface level team stats like ppg to help your bad argument
Hate to break it to you but ppg outside of the final scoreboard is the only stats that matter in football.
Stats are for losers and you sound just like the Tampa fans that used to argue about Winston and it was pretty much for one reason only and a poster called you out on it already…..orange is better than black, just deal with it.
This post was edited on 10/17/22 at 12:36 am
Posted on 10/17/22 at 12:38 am to St Augustine
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Yet you’re ignoring that one guy had 4 fractures in his back and our all pro running back out for most of his starts. The same running back that has accounted for most of our offense the last few weeks. Maybe let Jameis get healthy with a healthy kamara.
You do realize Dalton played without Kamara against the Vikings. And Ingram got hurt that game. He had to play with a running back off the street most of that game, along with only Olave.
I wonder if some of you even watch the saints games or just talk shite yiu know absolutely nothing about.
Winston had Kamara 2 of 3 games and did nothing b/c he’s horrible at checking down or going through his progressions fast enough to check down before getting sacked. Saw it last year and same again this year….
This post was edited on 10/17/22 at 12:42 am
Posted on 10/17/22 at 12:41 am to whatiknowsofar
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It's just math. I'm sorry you don't agree with something that's not really disputable.
Can you please stop saying "it's just math"? I can't even begin to understand what you're trying to say here. What numbers are you even comparing? What comparison are you making? You're just saying, "Jameis' numbers were this. That proves he's a better QB. It's just math." I kind of agree with your point but your argument makes zero sense.
This post was edited on 10/17/22 at 12:42 am
Posted on 10/17/22 at 12:49 am to whatiknowsofar
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Dalton healthy for all 3. Jameis for one. Same w-l record.
You realize Dalton has gotten us the lead in all three games late in the 4 th until the defense totally collapses.
Winston had us getting shutout in every start he had except for the miracle 4th quarter that he put us in the hole to begin with. If the defense collapsed against Atlanta he would be 0-3.
This post was edited on 10/17/22 at 12:50 am
Posted on 10/17/22 at 12:51 am to RB10
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Every stat remains better than Winston’s. So, what’s your point?
Apparently New Orleans public school math hard at work lol.
Posted on 10/17/22 at 5:23 am to RB10
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Rating
Dalton: 98.5
Winston: 79.5
QBR:
Dalton: 47
Winston: 33.5
Yards per attempt:
Dalton: 8.1
Winston: 7.5
TD/INT Ratio:
Dalton: 2:1
Winston 4:5
Completion %:
Dalton: 69.5%
Winston: 63.5%
The offense is actually more creative, and less volatile, with Dalton. He takes enough deep shots to keep the defense honest, but isn’t out there winging it like Jameis does. He’s actually efficient.
Also, Payton isn’t here to keep Jameis’ terrible habits under wraps anymore. He’s a bad quarterback.
This made the kid cry.
Posted on 10/17/22 at 10:49 am to RB10
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Every stat remains better than Winston’s
No they aren't. Comp % and ypa are worse. Why lie?
Posted on 10/17/22 at 10:50 am to pankReb
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This made the kid cry.
False stats like this and what you tried to pull with Seattle's defense don't make me cry. Idiots that don't look at numbers correctly do scare me though.
Posted on 10/17/22 at 11:07 am to whatiknowsofar
If Dalton was black , there would be one hell of a QB controversary . If Winston were white he would be cursed and damned and demanded to be released. The uproar on his sorry arse would be deafening.
Posted on 10/17/22 at 11:12 am to whatiknowsofar
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No they aren't. Comp % and ypa are worse.
So he still has a better rating, QBR and TD:INT ratio?
I thought you said no stats show Dalton is better?
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Why lie?
You’ve been doing it the entire thread. Why not?
The only stat that really matter is this: The offense is better with Dalton at QB. This cannot be refuted no matter how badly you mash your teeth and froth at the mouth. It’s just a fact.
This post was edited on 10/17/22 at 11:14 am
Posted on 10/17/22 at 11:30 am to RB10
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So he still has a better rating, QBR and TD:INT ratio?
When jameis is healthy his stats are better than daltons. His first game, viewed as bad by several here on this site, is better than any of Andy's 3 games and andy played the worst defensive team of their 6 combined games.
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You’ve been doing it the entire thread. Why not?
I have given you numbers you choose to ignore, you have lied twice in this thread. Bad look for you.
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The offense is better with Dalton at QB.
The offense is better with taysom seeing more reps, a healthy Kamara, and a more diverse and potent run game.
Jameis run support:
151
100 (no kamara)
84
Dalton run support:
111 (no kamara)
235
228
We are something like 40-10 when we rush for over 200 and Dalton is so limited it didn't matter. We still lost. They have the same record yet andy had a better running game.
"Andy runs the offense better"
Taysom was out for one of Jameis's games.
Taysom with Jameis on the sideline:
3.5 rush attempts per game
0 pass attempts
47.5 rush yards per game
1 td
With dalton on the sideline:
6.33 attempts per game
5 total pass attempts
57.3 rush yards per game
5 total td, all with Dalton on the sideline
We used taysom twice as much with Dalton, and it's not only to score more, it's to hide daltons ineptitude to move a team down the field.
Posted on 10/17/22 at 11:39 am to whatiknowsofar
You still haven't honestly answered this question: Why are you so OBSESSED with Winston, to the point of lying and throwing everyone NOT named Winston under the bus?
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