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re: The best part of this draft so far...

Posted on 4/28/16 at 10:12 pm to
Posted by CocoLoco
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 4/28/16 at 10:12 pm to
You don't think Cooks is a top FIFTY WR in the NFL?


Seriously? Well I'll just leave this thread because it would be pointless to discuss.
Posted by Rand AlThor
Member since Jan 2014
9865 posts
Posted on 4/28/16 at 10:12 pm to
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Because you're assuming that they are the same quality as Rankins, or that Rankins would still be on the board if we took another player...



They probably aren't, but they are close. It is widely known how deep this draft class is at DT. There are like 10 DTs right now who most draftniks agree would be top 30-40 picks in any normal year and a lot of those guys will make it into the late 2nd/early 3rd just because of the sheer volume.

This is completely untrue for WR, which is an equal need for us. There is very little real depth at the position in this draft. There were only a handful of guys who had any shot of eventually becoming a WR1. They're all gone already.

We would have been way better off taking a WR at our pick and then getting a DT in the 2nd.
Posted by WhoDat37
Member since Mar 2016
431 posts
Posted on 4/28/16 at 10:12 pm to
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Well I disagree.


Cool.

Drew Brees probably had one of the best strechest of his career at the end of last season, and Cooks was a major reason for that

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I've never seen Cooks make a play 1 on 1 on the outside to beat a guy with anything except speed.


Well good thing he has elite speed. He's consistently able to get HUGE separation from corners in the nfl and flies by safeties

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The guy has no chance of making a play in tight coverage.


LINK

There you go.
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
70992 posts
Posted on 4/28/16 at 10:13 pm to
Stop using stats you loser.
Posted by PaperTiger
Ruston, LA
Member since Feb 2015
25746 posts
Posted on 4/28/16 at 10:13 pm to
So colston was a burner?
Posted by Rand AlThor
Member since Jan 2014
9865 posts
Posted on 4/28/16 at 10:13 pm to
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You don't think Cooks is a top FIFTY WR in the NFL?


Seriously? Well I'll just leave this thread because it would be pointless to discuss.


That was probably a slight over exaggeration, but regardless, we have nobody at the position. Cooks is the only WR on the roster who was drafted. That is preposterous. There is no way we can move forward like that.
Posted by saintsfan22
baton rouge
Member since May 2006
76171 posts
Posted on 4/28/16 at 10:14 pm to
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There are a ton of highly touted DTs on the board right now.

Nkemdiche was the only other one expected to go in the 1st-2nd who was considered to have any interior rushing ability. He's probably not even on our board.
Posted by WhoDat37
Member since Mar 2016
431 posts
Posted on 4/28/16 at 10:16 pm to
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That was probably a slight over exaggeration, but regardless, we have nobody at the position. Cooks is the only WR on the roster who was drafted. That is preposterous. There is no way we can move forward like that.



For all realistic purposes, Fleener is a WR for us.

And who cares if Snead was drafted? He's a damn good receiver
Posted by Peazey
Metry
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 4/28/16 at 10:17 pm to
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he'll never make all pro


This post was edited on 4/28/16 at 10:18 pm
Posted by WhoDat37
Member since Mar 2016
431 posts
Posted on 4/28/16 at 10:17 pm to
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So colston was a burner?



He had the ability to run by safeties. He was an all around receiver, and his money route was attacking the seam.

Feel free to back up anything you've stated. I've already done that.
This post was edited on 4/28/16 at 10:18 pm
Posted by StudentoftheGame
Member since Jun 2013
315 posts
Posted on 4/28/16 at 10:18 pm to
You trade up and take nkimdeche my god he's once in a generation talent
Posted by WhoDat37
Member since Mar 2016
431 posts
Posted on 4/28/16 at 10:23 pm to
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but regardless, we have nobody at the position


Cooks went over 100 in 3 of the last 5 games.

He averaged 87 ypc over the last 8 games of the season, adding 8 more touchdowns to it. A terrible 14+ ypc to go along with it.

It is absolutely ridiculous that people overlook how well he played at the end of the year.
This post was edited on 4/28/16 at 10:24 pm
Posted by PaperTiger
Ruston, LA
Member since Feb 2015
25746 posts
Posted on 4/28/16 at 10:24 pm to
I'm not doubting your stats dude. I see one year where colston avg 16 yds per catch was the same year our speed wr devery was at 24 yds per catch.

How does that not make colston a possession wr? I mean with Graham added, maybe he became the possession wr, and colston had a few more plays.

I said colston clone. 1" height off. .10 sec 40 off.

You are nitpicking. Also note that treadwell broke his ankle in two. You can't throw that out.

Colston was good. I loved watching him play.
This post was edited on 4/28/16 at 10:28 pm
Posted by WhoDat37
Member since Mar 2016
431 posts
Posted on 4/28/16 at 10:29 pm to


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I see one year where colston avg 16 yds per catch


Yes, that is what I posted.

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How does that not make colston a possession wr?


He was a possession receiver, and much more. Feel free to type cast him as a possession receiver. He was a playmaker.

But hey, I guess Cooks is also a possession receiver. Dez Bryant must be too....

Landry is a possession receiver. Colston was an all around WR

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I said colston clone. 1" off. .10 sec 40 off.



First, that was based on Colston's combine vs Treadwell's pro day, which are always player friendly

2.5 inches shorter
Much lower vertical
16 bench press vs 12

And still faster

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You are nitpicking. Also note that treadwell broke his ankle in two. You can't throw that out.


So he has an injury history too?

And no, I'm not nitpicking. Colston was an elite athlete, Treadwell is not. Pretty simple.
This post was edited on 4/28/16 at 10:41 pm
Posted by PaperTiger
Ruston, LA
Member since Feb 2015
25746 posts
Posted on 4/28/16 at 10:47 pm to
So colston in college with a shoulder and hand injury made him run a slower 40?? Cmon dude.

I missed all those go routes that colston ran. My bad.

All I have to go on is college stats for Treadwell. Are you saying he wasn't a playmaker?
Posted by WhoDat37
Member since Mar 2016
431 posts
Posted on 4/28/16 at 10:56 pm to
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So colston in college with a shoulder and hand injury made him run a slower 40?? Cmon dude.


Where did I say that? Treadwell is who he is, you're making excuses for him. He's over his injury.

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missed all those go routes that colston ran. My bad. 


You must have, because he consistently ran them out of the slot to attack the seam. I don't know how else to say this: colston was an all around receiver

It is an enormous part of Sean Payton's offense....


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l. Are you saying he wasn't a playmaker?


He was a playmaker in college. So were Josh Reed, Michael Clayton, Early Doucet, and countless other receivers

Guess you thought that was a good point.../
This post was edited on 4/28/16 at 10:59 pm
Posted by THRILLHO
Metry, LA
Member since Apr 2006
49978 posts
Posted on 4/28/16 at 10:59 pm to
Colston ran a shite load of deep posts.
Posted by WhoDat37
Member since Mar 2016
431 posts
Posted on 4/28/16 at 11:03 pm to
Yea, not sure what team this cat watched for while. Awesome leaping ability too

Fun night
:who dat:
Posted by PaperTiger
Ruston, LA
Member since Feb 2015
25746 posts
Posted on 4/28/16 at 11:03 pm to
My comment about Treadwell breaking his ankle one year before running the 40 yrd dash. Your reply was colston didn't have injuries too.

Sorry. Thought we were on the same page. My fault.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
43895 posts
Posted on 4/28/16 at 11:06 pm to
Now that we have gone d line in the first, I wouldn't be shocked if we took a WR in the 2nd since we've had success converting middle round tackles into all-world guards.
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