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Sub .500 division winners should not be guaranteed a playoff spot
Posted on 12/15/14 at 12:37 am
Posted on 12/15/14 at 12:37 am
It's stupid.
Love the Saints, but no team with a losing record should ride a shitty division into the playoffs and bump a worthy team in the process.
Who can disagree with this air-tight logic?
Love the Saints, but no team with a losing record should ride a shitty division into the playoffs and bump a worthy team in the process.
Who can disagree with this air-tight logic?
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Posted on 12/15/14 at 12:39 am to olgoi khorkhoi
The Dome will be fricking rocking if the 7-9 Saints play Seattle in the Wildcard Round.
Electric.
Electric.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 12:40 am to olgoi khorkhoi
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Who can disagree with this air-tight logic?
I can.
The current playoff format is one of the best in pro sports and it is the most fair and accurate format for determining a champion. If you win your division, you will have proven yourself as the best team out of 4 teams in a 16 team conference and that should always be rewarded with a playoff spot and one guaranteed home game when only 6 teams can go to the playoffs.
With that said, a 7-9 or 6-10 division winner is an anomaly and certainly should not be treated as the norm and indicative of a larger problem. It's extremely and highly unlikely this will happen again for a long time. To change the playoff format would be an overreaction, indigent outrage seeking to punish an anomaly and only hurt the NFL brand and get rid of a great playoff format. It's unfortunate that there's a team that's below .500 in the playoffs but that's just what you get when an entire division is so shitty and its inflating the W-L records of other teams and divisions and not even the best playoff format can account for that. No playoff format is perfect even when it may be one of the best in sports.
The bottom line here is that if you win the division, you prove yourself as the best team out of four teams in a 16 team conference with a 6 team playoff format. There is very little more fair than that.
This post was edited on 12/15/14 at 12:43 am
Posted on 12/15/14 at 12:42 am to BayouBengals03
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The Dome will be fricking rocking if the 7-9 Saints play Seattle in the Wildcard Round.
Electric.
I'm a saints fan and I had no problem with 7-9 Seattle being in the playoffs and hosting.
They were the best team of a 4 team division and the saints didn't win their division so they didn't deserve to host a playoff game over a team that actually won their division.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 12:46 am to olgoi khorkhoi
The last thing on my mind after our loss to Seattle a few years ago was Seattle's record.
most years, the NFL doesn't have this type of thing happening.
and this is also the first year I can ever remember the NFC South being this bad.
most years, the NFL doesn't have this type of thing happening.
and this is also the first year I can ever remember the NFC South being this bad.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 12:46 am to Sentrius
If it's an anomoly and only happens rarely, why not make a rule against it? Wouldn't affect anything most years and when it did, a good team gets in and a sorry one gets left out. The playoffs is where the good teams go to decide a champion. No losers allowed.
Your logic is circular. "it is the system, so it's fair".
Your logic is circular. "it is the system, so it's fair".
Posted on 12/15/14 at 12:48 am to olgoi khorkhoi
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shitty division
That shitty division is still 4 teams that are a part of a 16 team conference that sends 6 teams into the playoffs. The best team from that division ie the winner, still deserves to go to the playoffs and host at least one game.
You don't discount 4 shitty teams that make up a division like they're irrelevant when the non shitty divisions count them as wins.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 12:50 am to Sentrius
You're repeating yourself.
Basically, it's fair because it is?
Basically, it's fair because it is?
Posted on 12/15/14 at 12:51 am to olgoi khorkhoi
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If it's an anomoly and only happens rarely, why not make a rule against it? Wouldn't affect anything most years and when it did, a good team gets in and a sorry one gets left out. The playoffs is where the good teams go to decide a champion. No losers allowed.
Your logic is circular. "it is the system, so it's fair".
With that logic, why have wild cards then? Why not just take the top 4 and call it a day? Its because some divisions just get unlucky and face a tough cross conference division one year while another gets to face an easy one. Going up against the AFC North or the AFC South can be the difference between going 0-4 or 3-1.
Just like how the AFC North this year are racking up wins vs. NFC South, but if they played the NFC West they'd be struggling right now.
The saints go 7-9, they end up being the 4th seed going 1-3 vs. the AFC North. What a big difference going up against the AFC South would be and going 3-1 instead. They'd go from some shitty team to a decent team at 9-7, right?
This post was edited on 12/15/14 at 12:53 am
Posted on 12/15/14 at 12:57 am to htran90
Well, they want the 6 best teams and there's only 4 divisions. That's why there's wild cards. Rules are much more stringent to get in as a wild card, you actually have to be good.
So losers should get in because winning is hard?
So losers should get in because winning is hard?
Posted on 12/15/14 at 12:57 am to olgoi khorkhoi
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If it's an anomoly and only happens rarely, why not make a rule against it?
Because you're fixing something that ain't broke.
There is no perfect playoff format and this is what happens when you have divisions. It sounds to me like your gripe is with the division format and would prefer a playoff format by record.
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good team gets in and a sorry one gets left out
That good team failed to win the division, the sorry one is the winner of their own division. Looks like the division winner deserves to be there.
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The playoffs is where the good teams go to decide a champion. No losers allowed.
Correct. The division winners along with two wildcard teams with the best records go to the playoffs to determine a champion.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 12:57 am to olgoi khorkhoi
I agree, but after we had to travel to 7-9 Seattle, I say frick'em. Change the rule next year, but this year we get to piss people off.
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:ifweactuallywinthedivisionthatisandtheresstillalongwaytogobutithinkwestillhaveasgoodashotasanyofthesorryassteamsinourdivision:
This post was edited on 12/15/14 at 1:18 am
Posted on 12/15/14 at 1:18 am to Sentrius
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There is no perfect playoff format and this is what happens when you have divisions.
Not if you make a rule against it. It then becomes a perfect system, imo. Leaving out teams with losing records isn't exactly an arbitrary red line. Just make it to .500. That's really not too much to ask.
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That good team failed to win the division, the sorry one is the winner of their own division. Looks like the division winner deserves to be there.
So in a division where 4 teams split games with each other, lose every other game on the schedule and end up tied at 3-13, one of the 3-13 teams "deserves" to be on the playoffs more than a 14-2 team that was in the same division as the '72 dolphins and lost to them twice in ot?
Makes sense.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 1:23 am to olgoi khorkhoi
If you aren't good enough to win your division there are still 2 spots left to make it in. If you aren't good enough to take one of those spots then too bad frick ya sorry for ya.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 1:46 am to olgoi khorkhoi
So losers who happen to play 4 games vs. the most loaded division currently get screwed? There are always teams that will have the better matchups, but saying you either make .500 or you sit home is not a great idea.
There's too much parody in the NFL in regards to schedule, nothing is too similar and thats why some years "worse" teams that played the harder SOS sit as the WC while the "better" team in that division that played the easier SOS and sits as a 1-2 seed. Sounds familiar right? How is that fair? It isn't, but tough luck thats how the dice rolls sometimes.
There's too much parody in the NFL in regards to schedule, nothing is too similar and thats why some years "worse" teams that played the harder SOS sit as the WC while the "better" team in that division that played the easier SOS and sits as a 1-2 seed. Sounds familiar right? How is that fair? It isn't, but tough luck thats how the dice rolls sometimes.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 2:36 am to olgoi khorkhoi
No, it's not. Division should always mean something. You play all these guys twice.
We lost to a sub 500 team in the playoffs and now it's our turn to return that favor. If you are facing a sub 500 team in the playoffs shouldn't you be excited? Ha
We lost to a sub 500 team in the playoffs and now it's our turn to return that favor. If you are facing a sub 500 team in the playoffs shouldn't you be excited? Ha
Posted on 12/15/14 at 2:38 am to htran90
Exactly. Plus this is still quite a rare thing.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 2:45 am to htran90
Would you prefer no divisions then? That is about the only way to do away with sub .500 oddities.
Or you could cut the divisions in half and do away with the AFC/NFC and just have NORTH,SOUTH,EAST, and WEST divisions. As far as scheduling good luck there.
The status quo seems to be the most logical scenario but possibly take away home field from any sub .500 team.
You do realize that this also allows for more meaningful football at the end of the year. If not, the NFC South could have just closed up shop in November. Only thing another sub .500 division winner will do is expedite the addition of a 3rd wildcard. That will only further dilute the playoffs.
Or you could cut the divisions in half and do away with the AFC/NFC and just have NORTH,SOUTH,EAST, and WEST divisions. As far as scheduling good luck there.
The status quo seems to be the most logical scenario but possibly take away home field from any sub .500 team.
You do realize that this also allows for more meaningful football at the end of the year. If not, the NFC South could have just closed up shop in November. Only thing another sub .500 division winner will do is expedite the addition of a 3rd wildcard. That will only further dilute the playoffs.
This post was edited on 12/15/14 at 2:55 am
Posted on 12/15/14 at 3:39 am to BayouBengals03
quote:
The Dome will be fricking rocking if the 7-9 Saints play Seattle in the Wildcard Round.
Electric.
quote:
The Dome will be fricking rocking if the 7-9 Saints play Seattle in the Wildcard Round.
Electric.
quote:
The Dome will be fricking rocking if the 7-9 Saints play Seattle in the Wildcard Round.
Electric.
TTTTTTHHHHHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Posted on 12/15/14 at 5:09 am to htran90
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There's too much parody in the NFL
It is pretty funny sometimes
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